Why Do So Many On INGO Hate HOA's?

[DoggyDaddy]

@DoggyDaddy keep it in this thread. It seems you love HOAs so much you want to spread the love to other threads!

I'm curious, how many in this thread had HOAs get after them for...

• Lawn the wrong height?
• Wrong garage door / door / shutter color?
• Wrong mailbox?
• Too many vehicles?
• Storing a boat or RV?
• Changing their own vehicles oil?
• Parking a pickup truck?
• Had a gun held to their head forcing them to sign the covenants?

When I bought (and sold) the older, existing HOA free neighborhoods cost less, so in essence, I could have saved money not buying in a HOA (not to mention the dues saved).

And lastly, how many still reside in a HOA vs used to vs never did...

You seem to have mistaken me for someone else. Never lived in a HOA neighborhood, never will. Don't like them, don't need one. And I most certainly didn't start it in the other thread.

As for this: "I could have saved money not buying in a HOA (not to mention the dues saved)."

 

[foszoe]

I don't have to live in a communist regime to know I don't want to live in a communist regime.

 

[jamil]

@DoggyDaddy keep it in this thread. It seems you love HOAs so much you want to spread the love to other threads!

I'm curious, how many in this thread had HOAs get after them for...

• Lawn the wrong height?
• Wrong garage door / door / shutter color?
• Wrong mailbox?
• Too many vehicles?
• Storing a boat or RV?
• Changing their own vehicles oil?
• Parking a pickup truck?
• Had a gun held to their head forcing them to sign the covenants?

When I bought (and sold) the older, existing HOA free neighborhoods cost less, so in essence, I could have saved money not buying in a HOA (not to mention the dues saved).

And lastly, how many still reside in a HOA vs used to vs never did...

You didn’t mention anything about fences. Jeez, when I was on the board that was the biggest drama.

 

[firecadet613]

You didn’t mention anything about fences. Jeez, when I was on the board that was the biggest drama.

Which is crazy! We had an "architectural review form / process".

I was cheap at the time and only wanted something to keep the dogs in, so went with a 4' black vinyl coated chain link.

Approved without issue...

 

[repeter1977]

I am living in the real world with first hand experience. You've admitted yourself, you've never lived in a HOA. If you're seeing all these stories on the MSM, that's your problem. Turn off the MSM and explore the world - it's a beautiful place (and you'll form your own opinions). The exception isn't the rule...

You're entitled to your opinion, so hate away.

Mike, Dean, and I have gave valid reasons. Feel free to continue to hate HOAs and feel victimized by them...

Again. Reading comprehension seems to be an issue. I've had friends living in them too. So, using what's happened I can see just as if it happened to me.
Same as I don't need to be SA to understand that's a bad thing. I'm truly sorry you can't comprehend this.
Congratulations. You've not been a victim of a crime, that doesn't mean no one else has. That's my point. You are either intentionally not getting or refusing to acknowledge that people can get information from a second-hand story.
And the problem is, this entire thread is that everyone is expressing their opinions and stories, but only Mike's and yours apparently count. Doesn’t matter other's FIRST hand accounts because they aren't yours so they don't count. You can stop the self righteous BS that you know better and only your opinion counts.

Exactly, the ones victimized by HOAs according to the both of you, had it coming. They deserved it. "She shouldn't have worn that dress". Way to victim blame.
Glad we got to see the real side of you.

I truly hope karma happens to you as well.

 

[firecadet613]

Again. Reading comprehension seems to be an issue. I've had friends living in them too. So, using what's happened I can see just as if it happened to me.
Same as I don't need to be SA to understand that's a bad thing. I'm truly sorry you can't comprehend this.
Congratulations. You've not been a victim of a crime, that doesn't mean no one else has. That's my point. You are either intentionally not getting or refusing to acknowledge that people can get information from a second-hand story.
And the problem is, this entire thread is that everyone is expressing their opinions and stories, but only Mike's and yours apparently count. Doesn’t matter other's FIRST hand accounts because they aren't yours so they don't count. You can stop the self righteous BS that you know better and only your opinion counts.

Exactly, the ones victimized by HOAs according to the both of you, had it coming. They deserved it. "She shouldn't have worn that dress". Way to victim blame.
Glad we got to see the real side of you.

I truly hope karma happens to you as well.

Wow. What crime? Who's victim blaming here?! How is someone who willingly joined a HOA a victim of said HOA???

Your friends should have read the documents BEFORE they signed them. Seriously. Not hard to do. Seems your friends may be the ones with reading comprehension issues...

Don't sign a contract and agree to the terms if you can't abide by them. Pretty simple to understand and follow.

And what karma?! I'm confused as if it's somehow my (or Mike's fault) that your friends had issues with HOAs.

Sorry, not buying it. I'm in the camp of letting people join a HOA if they so choose...and if they don't want to, they don't have to...

 

[repeter1977]

Wow. What crime? Who's victim blaming here?! How is someone who willingly joined a HOA a victim of said HOA???

Your friends should have read the documents BEFORE they signed them. Seriously. Not hard to do. Seems your friends may be the ones with reading comprehension issues...

Don't sign a contract and agree to the terms if you can't abide by them. Pretty simple to understand and follow.

And what karma?! I'm confused as if it's somehow my (or Mike's fault) that your friends had issues with HOAs.

Sorry, not buying it. I'm in the camp of letting people join a HOA if they so choose...and if they don't want to, they don't have to...

Reading comprehension. That's all I have to say. You didn't read what I wrote or you didn't understand. Either way, I can't make you understand it. It's been explained multiple times and ways ad nauseum.

And you shouldn't have a problem with karma if you knew it was right. Guess you don't want a karma HOA happening to you, which says all anyone needs to know.

Bye.

 

[jamil]

A neighborhood HOA only works if 100% are in the agreement.

Huh. Just like communism.

When the HOA is put in place everyone has ample notice to decide if the covenants are right for them. After everyone moves in is not the time to make decisions like this. Those covenants need to be fully vetted by all parties before purchasing and everyone understands what is expected of them.

In your opinion.

Scenario. Young couple with young kids wants a better school district. They feel they need a newer neighborhood because they think their kids will be better socialized. But there are no newer neighborhoods that don't have HOA restrictions.

So they have a choice, but only a Hobson's choice. They're not likely to spend a lot of time researching the HOA rules before buying. It's an HOA for **** sake. There will be Karens. They feel they're just stuck with the HOA.

So. Who is more likely to tell the association to **** the hell off, and who is more likely to suck the associations's, um, measuring stick? A person who's into HOA karen porn, and eats, breathes, sleeps everything HOA? Or someone who really doesn't want an HOA but is stuck with it because of circumstances.

 

[Ingomike]

Again. Reading comprehension seems to be an issue. I've had friends living in them too. So, using what's happened I can see just as if it happened to me.
Same as I don't need to be SA to understand that's a bad thing. I'm truly sorry you can't comprehend this.
Congratulations. You've not been a victim of a crime, that doesn't mean no one else has. That's my point. You are either intentionally not getting or refusing to acknowledge that people can get information from a second-hand story.
And the problem is, this entire thread is that everyone is expressing their opinions and stories, but only Mike's and yours apparently count. Doesn’t matter other's FIRST hand accounts because they aren't yours so they don't count. You can stop the self righteous BS that you know better and only your opinion counts.

Exactly, the ones victimized by HOAs according to the both of you, had it coming. They deserved it. "She shouldn't have worn that dress". Way to victim blame.
Glad we got to see the real side of you.

I truly hope karma happens to you as well.

Hey, do you not understand that friends happenstances are second hand?

 

[Ingomike]

So. Who is more likely to tell the association to **** the hell off,

A LIAR…

You support liars, and even encourage them.

 

[Ingomike]

Huh. Just like communism.


In your opinion.

Scenario. Young couple with young kids wants a better school district. They feel they need a newer neighborhood because they think their kids will be better socialized. But there are no newer neighborhoods that don't have HOA restrictions.

So they have a choice, but only a Hobson's choice. They're not likely to spend a lot of time researching the HOA rules before buying. It's an HOA for **** sake. There will be Karens. They feel they're just stuck with the HOA.

So. Who is more likely to tell the association to **** the hell off, and who is more likely to suck the associations's, um, measuring stick? A person who's into HOA karen porn, and eats, breathes, sleeps everything HOA? Or someone who really doesn't want an HOA but is stuck with it because of circumstances.

Are you incapable of discussion without incendiary comments?

 

[Ingomike]

So @jamil you are against all current property law, its history, and freedom of landowners. You have no leg to stand on.

 

[firecadet613]

Reading comprehension. That's all I have to say. You didn't read what I wrote or you didn't understand. Either way, I can't make you understand it. It's been explained multiple times and ways ad nauseum.

And you shouldn't have a problem with karma if you knew it was right. Guess you don't want a karma HOA happening to you, which says all anyone needs to know.

Bye.

Yep. Reading comprehension. READ contracts before you agree to them and sign them. Pocket vetos don't work with contracts.

But I'll say, Karma HOA is much more likely to happen to you than me, my friend. Be careful what you wish for, often times it'll boomerang back on you...

Huh. Just like communism.

How so? They all agreed to it and even pay dues to maintain it. Don't like it, don't join. Plenty of other options, often times right down the street!

Scenario. Young couple with young kids wants a better school district. They feel they need a newer neighborhood because they think their kids will be better socialized. But there are no newer neighborhoods that don't have HOA restrictions.

They made a conscious decision to join the HOA, no one forced them. Hmm, sounds like a choice I made over 15 years ago, but not for that reason. I wasn't harmed by the HOA and the majority of folks aren't...

So they have a choice, but only a Hobson's choice. They're not likely to spend a lot of time researching the HOA rules before buying. It's an HOA for **** sake. There will be Karens. They feel they're just stuck with the HOA.

Not true. Not every HOA is made up of Karen's. Oh, my bad. My experience doesn't count, only repeters friends experience (which is likely exaggerated) counts.

So. Who is more likely to tell the association to **** the hell off, and who is more likely to suck the associations's, um, measuring stick? A person who's into HOA karen porn, and eats, breathes, sleeps everything HOA? Or someone who really doesn't want an HOA but is stuck with it because of circumstances.

I don't sign contracts and tell anyone to F off. That's bad business and the wrong thing to do. Pretty simple to agree with what you signed and live as your average guy.

But this is the HOA thread where your word isn't your bond and your signature doesn't matter.

Hey, do you not understand that friends happenstances are second hand?

Negative ghost rider.

It's interesting how many in this thread (who seem to be the most amped up against HOAs), are all getting second hand info... it's like a HOA is a boogeyman to these guys...

 

[phylodog]

It's interesting how many in this thread (who seem to be the most amped up against HOAs), are all getting second hand info... it's like a HOA is a boogeyman to these guys...

No, that isn't reality. That is what you want to believe so you can justify ignoring alternative opinions. If not, please post your notes where you've been keeping track of which members have first hand experience and which don't. I'll wait here for you to show your work and prove me wrong and I'll eat my words and apologize if you do.

I don't have to have someone kick me in the nuts to know that it is an unpleasant experience. I don't have to suffer misery first hand to recognize it as misery. From what I gather, most have problems with existence of HOAs. A person doesn't need first hand experience, or even third party examples to take issue with the entire premise of an HOA.

We've got thousands of posts now attempting to doctor HOAs up to make them appear as some virtuous organizations which only helps property owners. Some HOAs apparently are run well and don't exist solely to make everyone's life miserable but there are plenty which don't and as with anything, those are going to get the attention.

The idea that you can spend $250,000+ to purchase a home for yourself and family to live in but the previous owner didn't sell you the right to park your truck in your driveway at your house is beyond ridiculous and will remain so forever.

 

[Creedmoor]

IBTL

 

[foszoe]

We need an HOA reality show to get to the bottom of this.

 

[firecadet613]

No, that isn't reality. That is what you want to believe so you can justify ignoring alternative opinions. If not, please post your notes where you've been keeping track of which members have first hand experience and which don't. I'll wait here for you to show your work and prove me wrong and I'll eat my words and apologize if you do.

That's what they are, opinions. As the last few posts show, those folks don't live in HOAs.

Like HOAs or dislike them, the fact hasn't changed that no one is forced to buy in a HOA. Read the covenants or don't, not my problem. As with most things in life, buyer beware.

I don't have to have someone kick me in the nuts to know that it is an unpleasant experience. I don't have to suffer misery first hand to recognize it as misery. From what I gather, most have problems with existence of HOAs. A person doesn't need first hand experience, or even third party examples to take issue with the entire premise of an HOA.

If most had problems, you'd see them getting dissolved all the time. I haven't seen that. So the majority must be OK with it or their HOAs aren't as bad as many make them out to be.

We've got thousands of posts now attempting to doctor HOAs up to make them appear as some virtuous organizations which only helps property owners. Some HOAs apparently are run well and don't exist solely to make everyone's life miserable but there are plenty which don't and as with anything, those are going to get the attention.

Pretty sure there are more posts against than in favor of HOAs in this thread. And I agree, those that aren't run well will get the attention, but I'd wager a good bet those are the exception, not the rule. Most folks likely don't have issues with their HOA as they likely maintain their homes, mow their lawn and a generally "good neighbors".

The idea that you can spend $250,000+ to purchase a home for yourself and family to live in but the previous owner didn't sell you the right to park your truck in your driveway at your house is beyond ridiculous and will remain so forever.

Sure is, but I think it's more ridiculous that someone bought it with those restrictions!

Was one of the residents blindsided by that? Did they not read and agree with the covenants? Everything is negotiable. Covenants can be changed.

 

[firecadet613]

We need an HOA reality show to get to the bottom of this.

Sounds like a money making opportunity for you @foszoe! It sounds like a few in this thread know which HOAs to focus on.

Don't ask me, @Ingomike or @Dean C., ours all seemed pretty reasonable...

Heck, I don't even live in one anymore.

But I can understand their value and why some would want to live in one. I'm not anti-freedom and want to take that option off the table for folks...

 

[Ingomike]

The idea that you can spend $250,000+ to purchase a home for yourself and family to live in but the previous owner didn't sell you the right to park your truck in your driveway at your house is beyond ridiculous and will remain so forever.

The idea that you can spend $250,000+ (average is now $400,000) to purchase a home for yourself and family to live in but some people want to make it so you cannot have agreements with the neighbors to not park RV’s or restore cars in the drive is beyond ridiculous and will remain so forever.

How did you come up with the idea that future owners have more rights than the current actual owner?

 

[firecadet613]

The idea that you can spend $250,000+ (average is now $400,000) to purchase a home for yourself and family to live in but some people want to make it so you cannot have agreements with the neighbors to not park RV’s or restore cars in the drive is beyond ridiculous and will remain so forever.

Especially when you can go out of the suburbs and get a very nice home (with a good chunk of land) for the same price as that HOA place...

I believe that's why I said (many pages back) you can't have your cake and eat it too.

Although, I'm willing to bet if you're the kind of guy that wants to restore cars and/or keep your RV at home, you only bought that HOA place because your wife wanted it....