Wednesday I OC'd at Wal-Mart, nobody batted an eye. Thursday stopped at Wal-Greens, nothin. Tonight I went to Subway (Munster) to pick up sandwiches for my g/f and I. I saw a squad car and an SUV in the parking lot so I made sure to park straight. Walk in with my wallet & piece of paper with my g/f's order in my hand and got in line. 10 seconds later 2 of the cops get up and ask me to step outside with them. Asked if I had a permit, I of course replied I have a license. He asked to see it and my ID. blah blah he knows it's legal, but you scare people. Told him that's because they aren't used to seeing it, it's understandable. He never asked me to cover, just kept trying to tell me why OC'ing is the devil. His bigger half, I'm guessing a 6'6" cop, was a nice enough guy. Asked why I carried openly. I told him I can't really conceal it (I was wearing jeans, nice shirt that fits, and my INGO Tactical hat). He said there are ways to conceal. So I replied when it's 90 outside I don't wanna wear extra clothes and I feel safer with my Sig 229 than I would with a dinky .22. 3rd cop comes out (drug enforcement). Doesn't say a word, just there for support I guess. I ask the talkative cop if he stops cars to see if they have their license, he seems baffled. Big guy says they can...right. Talkative cop goes on to say how dangerous of a person I look like OC'ing, so I reply there are lots of scary people out there. What about the goths, people with tattoos, don't they look dangerous. He's had enough and says he doesn't like my attitude and go on my way. I say ok, have a nice day, and go inside and back into line. The big guy was nice, the little guy was just on a power trip and didn't like that I didn't bend to his will. Everyone inside didn't seem to care that I walked back in still OC'ing, even when the cops had to rush out to their cars and take off with their sirens blaring.
Did they make you show I.D. (ie. Driver's License) or just your handgun license?
Good story btw. You handled it just as I would have. They are harassing you for no reason, and any attitude that doesn't comply to their wishes they would consider a "bad attitude..."
Did they make you show I.D. (ie. Driver's License) or just your handgun license?
Good story btw. You handled it just as I would have. They are harassing you for no reason, and any attitude that doesn't comply to their wishes they would consider a "bad attitude..."
Wednesday I OC'd at Wal-Mart, nobody batted an eye. Thursday stopped at Wal-Greens, nothin. Tonight I went to Subway (Munster) to pick up sandwiches for my g/f and I. I saw a squad car and an SUV in the parking lot so I made sure to park straight. Walk in with my wallet & piece of paper with my g/f's order in my hand and got in line. 10 seconds later 2 of the cops get up and ask me to step outside with them. Asked if I had a permit, I of course replied I have a license. He asked to see it and my ID. blah blah he knows it's legal, but you scare people. Told him that's because they aren't used to seeing it, it's understandable. He never asked me to cover, just kept trying to tell me why OC'ing is the devil. His bigger half, I'm guessing a 6'6" cop, was a nice enough guy. Asked why I carried openly. I told him I can't really conceal it (I was wearing jeans, nice shirt that fits, and my INGO Tactical hat). He said there are ways to conceal. So I replied when it's 90 outside I don't wanna wear extra clothes and I feel safer with my Sig 229 than I would with a dinky .22. 3rd cop comes out (drug enforcement). Doesn't say a word, just there for support I guess. I ask the talkative cop if he stops cars to see if they have their license, he seems baffled. Big guy says they can...right. Talkative cop goes on to say how dangerous of a person I look like OC'ing, so I reply there are lots of scary people out there. What about the goths, people with tattoos, don't they look dangerous. He's had enough and says he doesn't like my attitude and go on my way. I say ok, have a nice day, and go inside and back into line. The big guy was nice, the little guy was just on a power trip and didn't like that I didn't bend to his will. Everyone inside didn't seem to care that I walked back in still OC'ing, even when the cops had to rush out to their cars and take off with their sirens blaring.
He asked for my LTCH first, then after looking at that asked for my ID. I'm not a confrontational person, plus a pink piece of paper is easy to make, I preferred helping him relax by showing a photo ID. He was giving me crap just to give me crap. What kind of idiot bad guy would walk in OC'ing where he could clearly see there were 3 cops inside. Makes me want to make a shirt that has
LTCH Carrier (in pink letters)
Open Carry Is Legal In Indiana
No, You Won't Change My Mind On How To Carry
You aint gonna believe this crap.
I go to Speedway to get my gas and smokes. I make the drive all the way through town to do it cause it's my favorite gas station and I know EVERYONE that works there. Been going there about 12 years now. Known the 3rd shift guy about 4 years.
I go in there to get smokes and he tells me next time I need to leave "that" in the car. I'm like WTF? Oh, THAT. Why? He tells me it's corporate policy and he can't even carry pepper spray. Well, duh, he works there. I told him I go in everyday when the Indian guy who's the manager there is there and he's never said two words about it. Ever.
He tells me it's for "safety" reasons because someone could come up behind me and snatch it. 2x
I'm not gonna stop carrying in there until they refuse me service. When that happens I'll have a talk with the manager. If he agrees, I'll drive a little farther to get my gas and smokes and stuff from now on.
Hey Savage... you could also... just... quit smokin!
But yeah, your response to the situation is what mine would be, were I in your shoes.
Forgot to mention one other thing the officer brought up. He actually mentioned about how if a bad guy came in to where I was at, I'd be the first one the bad guy would target. I asked him if he's ever personally known that to ever happen. He didn't have an answer, seemed taken aback by that, and neither of the two other officers piped in. This was near the end of the interaction.
...Then I went into Taco Bell to get some food for my wife and kids. I did get some comments here....
When I got to the counter the guy at the register yelled, "DON'T SHOOT!" and ducked behind the counter. He was totally joking, though, and he was laughing when he stood up. He asked me if I was military or police or something. I told him no, that I was just a licensed citizen.
He then told me he had been a drill sergeant in the Marines during Op. Desert Storm and that if I am ever planning on joining the military that I should just change my mind, because it totally messed with his mind.
If "Drill Sergeant" were this guy's exact words, he was feeding you a load of . The NCOs that train Marines at San Diego and Parris Island are called (1) Drill Instructors . "Drill Sergeants" are what the Army calls them. No real former Marine DI would ever call himself a Drill "Sergeant". Furthermore, Marines that go to DI School are career oriented, so I doubt a real Marine DI would be whining about how, "it messed with his mind" to random customers at his prestigous Taco Bell job ... Messing with minds is what Marine Corps Boot Camp and DI School are all about!
(2) Sounds like you ran into a wannabe...
If "Drill Sergeant" were this guy's exact words, he was feeding you a load of . The NCOs that train Marines at San Diego and Parris Island are called Drill Instructors . "Drill Sergeants" are what the Army calls them. No real former Marine DI would ever call himself a Drill "Sergeant". Furthermore, Marines that go to DI School are career oriented, so I doubt a real Marine DI would be whining about how, "it messed with his mind" to random customers at his prestigous Taco Bell job ... Messing with minds is what Marine Corps Boot Camp and DI School are all about!
Sounds like you ran into a wannabe...
Most people really are oblivious.