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  • Was Reagan great or terrible as a president?


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    wagyu52

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    Osama Bin Laden: Profile of a Terror Leader | ABC News
    "In the 1980s, bin Laden left his comfortable Saudi home for Afghanistan to participate in the Afghan jihad, or holy war, against the invading forces of the Soviet Union - a cause that, ironically, the United States funded, pouring $3 billion into the Afghan resistance via the CIA."

    Who is Osama Bin Laden? | BBC News
    "...Bin Laden left Saudi Arabia in 1979 to fight against the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. The Afghan jihad was backed with American dollars and had the blessing of the governments of Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. He received security training from the CIA itself."

    Who Is Osama Bin Laden? | Forbes
    "...[Osama bin Laden] received military and financial assistance from the intelligence services of Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the United States."

    Critics of U.S. foreign policy consider Operation Cyclone to be substantially responsible for setting in motion the events that led to the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001 commonly known as the term blowback. The early foundations of al-Qaida were allegedly built in part on relationships and weaponry that came from the billions of dollars in U.S. support for the Afghan mujahadin during the war to expel Soviet forces from that country. However, scholars such as Jason Burke, Steve Coll, Peter Bergen, Christopher Andrew, and Vasily Mitrokhin have argued that Osama Bin Laden was "outside of CIA eyesight" and that there is "no support" in any "reliable source" for "the claim that the CIA funded bin Laden or any of the other Arab volunteers who came to support the mujahideen."
     

    Spanky46151

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    MOMMY! DADDY! STOP IT!!!!
     

    SkullDaddy.45

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    Reagan was the first president I ever voted for.i was a 21 yr. old kid who at the time never really thought of politics. Never thought about having pride in my country, a lot of that I blame on listening to Ford and Carter for the previous 8 yrs. wasn't until the debates against Reagan and Carter that I noticed he was different from the rest, he instilled a certain pride in being an American. Soon after he was elected you seen American flags popping up in the neighborhood. He wasn't perfect, but he was exactly what this country needed at that time. We were respected and feared around the world. That's when I became ( and still am) a Reagan conservative. So is Reagan the best president ever? Maybe, was he the best person at that time who could turn not only this country around but make the world a more stable and peaceful place? Your damn right he was!
     

    irishfan

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    Reagan believed what he was told when he signed that 1986 bill into law, and it wasn't until later that he found out he banned machineguns.

    The cold war? He caused the Soviet Union (remember them?) to spend themselves to the point of destruction by making them believe in our Star Wars program, which had our new media calling him crazy to the point that the Soviets believe it. The program was mostly a fake just to drive the Soviets into exactly what happened. Talking about reliving history, a country spending itself into oblivion.

    Reagan wasn't perfect, no president ever was, nor can they ever be because we don't allow them to be human, and we don't allow them to have differing viewpoints than our own.

    Reagan took the declining economy left to him by the peanut farmer, said it would take time to get it fixed and over time got it going so well that william jefferson clinton was able to take credit for the good times.

    No, Reagan wasn't perfect, but he did restore pride to the people of this great country.

    Absolute B.S. and if you cared to look it up you would see that Reagan had a history of stripping Americans of their rights before he even became president. Also, he REPEATEDLY attacked then second amendment and the constantly spoke in favor of regulation of firearms. However, this was after stripping Californians the right to protect themselves after signing into law the Mulford Act. You may think he was tricked but it is completely untrue when you see his previous attacks on citizens and then repeatedly after his time in office.
     

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    Reagan was the first president I ever voted for.

    ... he was different from the rest, he instilled a certain pride in being an American.
    :patriot: How I remember. Yes, and for that and much more he was excoriated and vilified by the communist media -- both foreign and domestic. The same media that is now, as they did then to a lesser extent, advocating to ban Americans' guns.
     
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    It's funny how badly people have wanted to destroy Reagan's legacy ever since he was in office. Most conservatives that are old enough to have lived through it, remember him with fondness.
     

    Liberty1911

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    LOL, all you Reagan haters. He wasn't perfect but he was better than anyone since, and I'd bet most of you would gladly trade 1980's policies for anything since then.
     

    wagyu52

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    Absolute B.S. and if you cared to look it up you would see that Reagan had a history of stripping Americans of their rights before he even became president. Also, he REPEATEDLY attacked then second amendment and the constantly spoke in favor of regulation of firearms. However, this was after stripping Californians the right to protect themselves after signing into law the Mulford Act. You may think he was tricked but it is completely untrue when you see his previous attacks on citizens and then repeatedly after his time in office.

    Of course the Mulford Act was endorsed by the NRA.
     

    halfmileharry

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    A two option poll makes it difficult at best. "good, bad, or indifferent" might have been a better option.
    When I read I always take into consideration the source and position from which it was written.
    I lived through Reagan and had a more enjoyable life than I do now under this tyrant.
     

    wagyu52

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    LOL, all you Reagan haters. He wasn't perfect but he was better than anyone since, and I'd bet most of you would gladly trade 1980's policies for anything since then.

    Oh yes, lets go back to 78 or 79. You know, when we tied yellow ribbons around oak trees in hope it would persuade militant Islamist into letting our people come home. Or how about 22% interest rate on your house loan, 4% inflation. Yeah, the 80's without Reagan would have been marvelous.
     

    Liberty1911

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    Oh yes, lets go back to 78 or 79. You know, when we tied yellow ribbons around oak trees in hope it would persuade militant Islamist into letting our people come home. Or how about 22% interest rate on your house loan, 4% inflation. Yeah, the 80's without Reagan would have been marvelous.


    Um, you didn't read what I wrote. Darn internet. :n00b:
     

    danil

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    Are we all forgetting that Congress actually has the checkbook and that the President sends a proposed budget. I'd like to see a chart on Congressional control-spending in the same time frame.
     

    ATOMonkey

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    The president signs all spending into law. To say that a president isn't responsible for spending isn't being honest, unless that president vetoed every bill and congress still passed it with 2/3 majority.

    Regan willfully mortgaged the future to improve the current situation. A decision that we are and will be paying, for eternity.

    He took a hard line stance against foreign governments and fought many wars through proxy nations including Afghanistan and Iraq, which later became our enemies.

    He also instilled more Nationalist pride than Patriotic pride. It's easy to confuse the two though.

    He was a politician, and as far as politicians go was rather successful. You be the judge of what that means.

    IMO, he pacified the public buy putting them into debt, and did some rather good cheerleading against the soviets to stir up the nationalists. Again, a very successful politician.
     

    Prometheus

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    Your profile indicates you were approx. 3-4 yrs old when he took office, and about 11-12 when he left. With all due respect for many good posts and many points of agreement on key issues, you don't know what you're talking about. If/when I see you, provided the time, everything will be explained. Maybe not to your satisfaction, and probably won't change your mind, but you might come away with an understanding of the 'why'. And it has nothing to do with any "cult worship" or anything like that, which in any case should not be given any politician at any time.
    I've tried to look at the why.

    For example in his gun banning days as governor, did he hate guns or black people?

    I'd be more inclined to think he just hated guns considering his other actions and comments.

    If it was because he was a racist, I'm open to hearing about.

    I'm not trying to debate the merits of bankrupting the USSR, just looking at things from a strictly RKBA stance.

    His record on RKBA has been worse than any president since he left office.

    No, I'm not old enough to remember how bad carter (for example) was before him. I really don't care either. It would be like debating if Stalin or Lenin were worse. Why can't we just look at the man and what he did, instead of trying to compare to those before or after him?

    Regan trampled the Second Amendment at the state and federal level. Regan disarmed US Citizens.
     

    poptab

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    I've tried to look at the why.

    For example in his gun banning days as governor, did he hate guns or black people?

    I'd be more inclined to think he just hated guns considering his other actions and comments.

    If it was because he was a racist, I'm open to hearing about.

    I'm not trying to debate the merits of bankrupting the USSR, just looking at things from a strictly RKBA stance.

    His record on RKBA has been worse than any president since he left office.

    No, I'm not old enough to remember how bad carter (for example) was before him. I really don't care either. It would be like debating if Stalin or Lenin were worse. Why can't we just look at the man and what he did, instead of trying to compare to those before or after him?

    Regan trampled the Second Amendment at the state and federal level. Regan disarmed US Citizens.

    But thats all ok because he made them democrats look stupid.
     

    Hohn

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    An interesting article. For every positive article I can find one of these:
    https://mises.org/freemarket_detail.aspx?control=488


    The data in the article is flawed. The "national income" of which the author speaks is something other than GDP.

    Here's how the Presidents stack up in spending since WW2, based on percentage of GDP:
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    For clarity, the first Bush is "Bush" and the second is "GWB." The line at 17.7% of GDP is the post-WW2 average of all spending years since WW2.

    Note: the years are delayed by one to reflect the spending bills each President would have signed-- not necessarily the ones in effect during their term. For example, FY1981 was signed by Carter, not Reagan, so that goes under Carter.
     

    Leo

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    I was a full grown man with a wife, kids and mortgage when we had 18 % FHA mortgages, double digit inflation that made your money worth 1/2 as much in 4 years. We also had double digit unemployment, and even the bosses kid could not keep a full time job. Carter was the inept man at the helm then.

    Two years after Reagan was elected we had single digit prime rates, that opened back up construction and investment, Chicago was so busy we were taking in people from rural areas to fill the jobs. RR stood against the same moral problems that I had a problem with, so I appreciated him for that. The deficit did grow some, but the GNP of this country rose faster and for a longer time then anyother time in history. In other words, the gap betwee the wealth and the bills actually became a smaller percentage. The personal wealth of the citizens grew. The only people who really did not get fat under Reagan were the government employees. The congress hated Reagan and worked hard to keep socialist agendas going by tying them to good bills. Address after address, Reagan asked for the power to line item veto so he could stop the stupid crap that congress tied to good legislation.

    Yes I know about the air traffic contollers strike. With two major airports in Chicago, (where I lived and worked) I had a couple of Air Traffic controllers in my social circle. Their union decided to break the contract, and the contract mandated that action. Those men have since retired. I have two different Air Traffic controllers in my social circle now and they both say that things started going badly for them in the 2nd clinton years, with short staffing and long hours, but that is a different subject.

    The first $100,000. overnight loss I suffered in my investments was the 2nd week of march, 1999. That was under clinton. His political appointies to the SEC allowed NASDAQ to run on smoke and mirrors, until it popped. Most people in High Tech lost 50%. In my neighborhood, that is a lot of money. The only thing that clinton did right was to keep the Reagan era economics going and even retaining Greenspan, because the enonomy was already working, so clinton could relax on that.

    In the last 4 years the entire economy has been in a continuous downturn. The Debit has increased over TEN TIMES! It is suggested that by the end of the year we will be 30 Trillion in debit. Does anyone undertand what that means? Our Pensions are stolen, our savings have been stolen. There is not one good thing happening in this nation under the current leadership. We have lost 20-25% of the value of our money while the government "says" we have no inflation. I've got $80,000 in Government bonds that have continued to lose due to this lie.

    Anyone who thinks Reagan was bad for the middle class Americans was not an adult paying his own way through life at the time. (or maybe had one of the cush government jobs that need to be eliminated)

    Read 1984, Brave New World, and Animal Farm. It will be pretty clear that we are seeing the product of "newspeak" especially in our public classrooms.
    "When words change meaning, people die".

    Reagan did not lead the charge to disarm America. Period. I think I still have the NRA calender that saluted Reagan for his efforts in keeping the RKBA. I was buying firearms when he was in office. You need to blame the west coast and east coast democraps for that, many are the same names as we had then.
     
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