Vaccines and stuff: Pt 2

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Plenty of real science out there that is publicly available. Take a few hours and read it. 95% chance that you haven't ever done that.

Show us the data that shows the covid vaccines stopped transmission and infections.

 

[jamil]

Plenty of real science out there that is publicly available. Take a few hours and read it. 95% chance that you haven't ever done that.

Plenty of real science out there that induces skepticism about the mRNA shots. Just not from sources funded by NIH. They only fund research that makes their foregone conclusions.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Yes. We are well aware of ignorance regarding covid vaccines.

 

[jamil]

Oh I'm aware. Doesn't mean I'm just going to let ignorance rule. That would not be responsible of me.

What if the ignorance is shared between the sides? What if it's not just the others who are full of ****? Have you pondered that? I think there are people full of **** on both sides. Everyone has their agendas. You're defending a side that is full of agendas. Everyone has a reason to lie.

 

[chipbennett]

Define vaccine for me then...

If you're an Army medic, you should already know the definition of a vaccine. At best, the Covid vaccine attenuated Covid severity for certain, high-risk patients. And even that claim is tenuous. For the vast majority of people, the Covid vaccine didn't/doesn't prevent or even minimize infection, severity, or transmission.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Friends of mine at church recently caught covid again. I’m sure they got their shots, though I couldn’t say if they got their umpteen required boosters.

 

[chipbennett]

Why? Do you feel the need to cancel me?

Imagine that: you don't know the definition of "cancel", either.

 

[chipbennett]

Plenty of real science out there that is publicly available. Take a few hours and read it. 95% chance that you haven't ever done that.

Who wants to tell him?

 

[JCSR]

I'm not going to help him get his 50 posts.

 

[ZZZZZZZZZZZ]

Does the covid vaccine prevent catching or transmitting the virus? At a minimum, a vaccine ought to do that with a certain level of effectiveness.

No vaccine is 100% effective at stopping catching or transmitting a virus. Vaccines teach our immune systems how to fight viruses. That means overall transmission reduces to the point that it isn't spreading because our bodies can fight it off before it gets to that point. Even a 90% effective vaccine can stop certain viruses entirely depending on the transmission route. An influenza is airborne and super transmissable so it is more difficult that say small pox which while horrible isn't as easily spread.

 

[ZZZZZZZZZZZ]

Who wants to tell him?

Tell me what? Are you secretly a medical professional? Years of research under your belt?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

No vaccine is 100% effective at stopping catching or transmitting a virus. Vaccines teach our immune systems how to fight viruses. That means overall transmission reduces to the point that it isn't spreading because our bodies can fight it off before it gets to that point. Even a 90% effective vaccine can stop certain viruses entirely depending on the transmission route. An influenza is airborne and super transmissable so it is more difficult that say small pox which while horrible isn't as easily spread.

The covid vaccine is 0% effective at stopping the catching or transmission.

The covid vaccine causes the body to produce proteins that are supposed to “teach the body” but it doesn’t. Instead they travel through out the body causing inflammation, clots, etc.

Even on a good year a flu vaccine is no better than 30-something% efficasious. Most years, it’s less and sometimes less than that.

Even the flu vaccine, to whatever level it’s effective at least lasts for most if not all the flu season…unlike the covid vaccines.

 

[Ingomike]

As a once upon a time U.S. Army medic... get your vaccines!! All of them. Don't be the guy dying in a hospital bed from a disease that we have beaten 100 years ago.

This is not well researched. Your advice may be killing people.

 

[ZZZZZZZZZZZ]

Friends of mine at church recently caught covid again. I’m sure they got their shots, though I couldn’t say if they got their umpteen required boosters.

Yep. Some people will still get covid after the vaccine. Just like the flu shot. The severity is much reduced however. My son has had it twice despite his vaccines. The rest of us have not, event though we live in the same house. His symptoms were very mild compared to 1 cousin and 1 uncle of mine. BOTH DIED ON A VENTILATOR.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Tell me what? Are you secretly a medical professional? Years of research under your belt?

You have to be a medical professional to read reports to know you’re repeating and perpetuating lies?

 

[ZZZZZZZZZZZ]

This is not well researched. Your advice may be killing people.

Probably not. The statistics don't bear that out.

 

[ZZZZZZZZZZZ]

You have to be a medical professional to read reports to know you’re repeating and perpetuating lies?

Reports from whom?

 

[Rookie]

Who wants to tell him?

I'm not telling. It's more enjoyable

 

[chipbennett]

No vaccine is 100% effective at stopping catching or transmitting a virus. Vaccines teach our immune systems how to fight viruses. That means overall transmission reduces to the point that it isn't spreading because our bodies can fight it off before it gets to that point. Even a 90% effective vaccine can stop certain viruses entirely depending on the transmission route. An influenza is airborne and super transmissable so it is more difficult that say small pox which while horrible isn't as easily spread.

The Covid vaccine didn't achieve that end point. You can't provide any clinical data that say otherwise. And in fact, current data show that infection/reinfection among the vaccinated is currently higher than among those not vaccinated.

And since I want to help you with the First Rule of Holes: I've worked in pharmaceutical manufacturing for almost 25 years (most of that time in aseptic processing, so let's talk about masks, too). I'm mRNA vaccinated. I helped companies manufacture the mRNA and other vaccines and other treatments. I also know how to read clinical data and regulatory filings.

 

[chipbennett]

Tell me what? Are you secretly a medical professional? Years of research under your belt?

My profession is hardly a secret.