UFC Lesnar vs Carwin, You Call It!

[Tactical Dave]

im just saying, if you cant physically intimidate her, you lose your ace in the hole.

Ill admit it right now she can beat me (we roll sometimes). Once I can get back into shape it will be the other way around.

 

[ihateiraq]

Ill admit it right now she can beat me (we roll sometimes). Once I can get back into shape it will be the other way around.

at least she can take care of herself.

 

[Tactical Dave]

at least she can take care of herself.

Yeah, she could mess someone up if she had to.... but I still worry about her when I am not around.

 

[Benny]

Ill admit it right now she can beat me (we roll sometimes). Once I can get back into shape it will be the other way around.

(I just got up for a glass of water, refreshed INGO and had to comment)

 

[Tactical Dave]

(I just got up for a glass of water, refreshed INGO and had to comment)

Not litteraly beat me as in beat me up haha. When we roll she tends to win.... thats all.

 

[tradertator]

This will be one hell of a fight. I honestly could see it going either way, or the earth being knocked off it's axis when these 2 monsters collide.

The HW division is the most exciting I can remember it ever being. We're in for a treat Saturday night!

 

[thej27]

Anyone catch Strikeforce Saturday night? Fedor tapped in the first! Maybe he is overrated. Cris Cyborg beat the CRAP out of that other woman. Poor girl just got knocked around for 1 and a half rounds. I think cyborg landed 143 strikes.

 

[lyric911]

Anyone catch Strikeforce Saturday night? Fedor tapped in the first! Maybe he is overrated. Cris Cyborg beat the CRAP out of that other woman. Poor girl just got knocked around for 1 and a half rounds. I think cyborg landed 143 strikes.

Getting caught in one fight doesn't make a fighter overrated by a long shot.

 

[Benny]

Anyone catch Strikeforce Saturday night? Fedor tapped in the first! Maybe he is overrated. Cris Cyborg beat the CRAP out of that other woman. Poor girl just got knocked around for 1 and a half rounds. I think cyborg landed 143 strikes.

That looked more like rape than an actual fight.

We were all sitting here feeling bad for that chick.

Getting caught in one fight doesn't make a fighter overrated by a long shot.

No, but it's pretty clear that Fedor isn't the best (current) HW anymore.

 

[rhino]

He has THE best gas tank in MMA, the best wrestling in the HW division and is a better boxer(think speed and head movement) than either Carwin or Lesnar.

I don't follow this sport (just read some topics on here), but I'm curious how someone can have "the best wrestling in the HW division," with the implication that the individual is a better wrestler that Brock Lesnar. WWE aside, Lesnar was an elite wrestler in the NCAA (NCAA Division I champion in 2000 and runner-up in 1999).

 

[42769vette]

I don't follow this sport (just read some topics on here), but I'm curious how someone can have "the best wrestling in the HW division," with the implication that the individual is a better wrestler that Brock Lesnar. WWE aside, Lesnar was an elite wrestler in the NCAA (NCAA Division I champion in 2000 and runner-up in 1999).

i dont think anyone has better wrestling in the hw division than brock the only competition would have been randy.

that said wrestling in mma is alot diffrent than sport wrestling. when i started mma my only background was college wrestling. so i thought that noone could teach me anything at all wrestling related. my first day i did a double leg on my juijitsu instructor and he went down fast and hard. i was pretty pleased with myself until i realized my eyes were about to pop out of my head.

in wrestling you do a double leg with your head on the outside of the hip. that way you can drive at a 45 degree angle and use your head as a extra arm to push your opponent to the side.

in mma there is a thing called the guillotine (spelling) choke. and because of that choke you keep your head in the center of the body durring shots so you dont get choked out.

 

[Benny]

I don't follow this sport (just read some topics on here), but I'm curious how someone can have "the best wrestling in the HW division," with the implication that the individual is a better wrestler that Brock Lesnar. WWE aside, Lesnar was an elite wrestler in the NCAA (NCAA Division I champion in 2000 and runner-up in 1999).

Good question.

There are several factors that come into play.

1. Brock's last wrestling match was over 10 years ago, Cains was ~4 years ago.

2. Great wrestling credentials does not necessarily translate to great MMA wrestling(see Georges St. Pierre; no wrestling cred and the best MMA wrestler ever to step foot in a cage). Brock is an absolute stud at MMA wrestling, but I think Cain's is better and many would agree. 6' 220 lb, 45 year old Randy Couture put Brock on his back and also controlled him up against the cage during their fight. If they were to face off on a wrestling mat, Brock would murder him, but when you factor in strikes and submissions, it's a different ball game.

3. Having a better gas tank allows you to go for more take downs and have the strength to fight off more take downs as well. This may not be a factor in the opening minutes, but it becomes more and more of a factor the longer the fight goes on.

There are other factors, like being able to absorb punishment while going for a take down, but Brock's chin hasn't been tested, so I don't want to count that as a factor yet. OTOH, Cain's chin has been severely tested and he passed with flying colors...He might also have the best recovery in all of MMA.



I hope that helps.

 

[rhino]

Okay, that's all reasonable. I'm not conversant with the nuances of the wrestling-related moves in this MMA stuff. What I've seen reminds me much of the type of wrestling done by professional wrestlers in the middle of the 20th century and earlier when it was still a legitimate competition and not a pre-choreographed performance as has been for the last few decades. The old timers knew how to hurt and maim each other.

My outsider's point of view is that this MMA stuff is a modern take on the ancient Greek sport of pankration, but with more rules and fewer intentional deaths.

For what it's worth, amateur wrestling is diverse and evolving as well. What is done in high schools and on most college mats is significantly different from what you'll see in international rules like they do in the Olympics. The latter is almost devoid of its martial roots.

 

[rhino]

in mma there is a thing called the guillotine (spelling) choke. and because of that choke you keep your head in the center of the body durring shots so you dont get choked out.

The guillotine in wrestling is something completely different!

 

[42769vette]

The guillotine in wrestling is something completely different!

yes the guillotine in highschool/college wrestling is much diffrent. in mma a guillotine can make you pass out. in highschool wrestling it makes you pray you will pass out (knowing you wont).

the diffrence you see in highschool/college wrestling is the style. in hs/college they wrestle folk style. in the olypmics you see greco roman wrestling. its a completly diffrent set of rules. greco is more upper boddy throws compared to takedowns in hs. there is also a freestyle wrestling that is done in aau wrestling that is kind of a mixture of the 2 styles. you can still shoot a double leg in freestyle but you can also still do a huge throw.

 

[Benny]

Freestyle is also in the Olympics.

 

[ironjaw]

anybody getting this on ppv in their house. I just don't want to go to a bar and watch this and I was just wanting to see if anyone here on the NE side is getting and want to charge admissionl?

 

[42769vette]

Freestyle is also in the Olympics.

brain fart

thanks joe

 

[Benny]

brain fart

thanks joe

It happens.



BTW, do you have videos floating around the interwebz of any of your MMA performances?

 

[42769vette]

It happens.



BTW, do you have videos floating around the interwebz of any of your MMA performances?

the only thing i have is home movies. i never got into the youtube thing.