UAW On Strike

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The days of union picket lines beating up people went away when everyone began having a camera (or two) in their pockets all the time.

Talk big all you want, but union people have money and property to lose in criminal and civil cases. And are typically the honest people that actually get prosecuted these days vs urban thugs who slip through the revolving door of the modern city justice systems.

I'd like to see some evidence of modern day scabs taking a beating at the picket line?

 

[Creedmoor]

Which is not behavior to brag about.

You **** with a mans living, what do you think can happen?

Say you drive an import onto a Union Plant, why do you think you have to park as far away from the Union workers parking as it can get?

 

[sadclownwp]

You **** with a mans living, what do you think can happen?

Say you drive an import onto a Union Plant, why do you think you have to park as far away from the Union workers parking as it can get?

This should tell everyone everything they need to know about the UAW and the people who work for them. Prove the union is full of people you would never want working for you. Dig that hole deeper man, you are doing an excellent job of it. My VW never had dents in it before working for Stellantis in Kokomo.

 

[Creedmoor]

The days of union picket lines beating up people went away when everyone began having a camera (or two) in their pockets all the time.

Talk big all you want, but union people have money and property to lose in criminal and civil cases. And are typically the honest people that actually get prosecuted these days vs urban thugs who slip through the revolving door of the modern city justice systems.

I'd like to see some evidence of modern day scabs taking a beating at the picket line?

How about when the Union workers get hurt?
Just a few weeks ago.
On Tuesday, Sept. 26, five UAW members were injured when a vehicle reportedly drove through the crowd of picketers while leaving GM’s Flint Processing Center. The individuals reportedly sustained minor injuries. Fain said two of the members were taken to the hospital

GM identified the driver of the vehicle as a “third-party housekeeping contractor” employed by Malace, and said the driver and the two other employees in the vehicle have been banned from all GM properties. The company also reportedly conducted “safety talks” at their facilities to reinforce their expectations amid the auto strike.

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UAW chief blames GM, Stellantis for ‘violence on picket lines’ in Michigan, other states​

Car hit 5 striking members in Flint on Tuesday​

United Auto Workers President Shawn Fain talks with members at the Labor Day parade in Detroit, Monday, Sept. 4, 2023. (AP Photo/Paul Sancya) (Paul Sancya, Copyright 2023 The Associated Press. All rights reserved)

DETROIT – The president of the United Auto Workers union said Thursday that autoworkers on strike against the Detroit Big Three automakers have faced attacks on the picket lines this week in multiple states.
Tensions continue to rise between the UAW and the automakers, who have yet to come to an agreement after their contracts expired on Sept. 14. With the union continuing to expand its strike against the companies, non-unionized automotive suppliers and contractors may also feel the increasing pressure.

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It’s those contractors, and the automakers, that UAW President Shawn Fain is blaming for recent “violence against ... members on the picket lines” in Michigan, Massachusetts and California.

On Tuesday, Sept. 26, five UAW members were injured when a vehicle reportedly drove through the crowd of picketers while leaving GM’s Flint Processing Center. The individuals reportedly sustained minor injuries. Fain said two of the members were taken to the hospital.

GM identified the driver of the vehicle as a “third-party housekeeping contractor” employed by Malace, and said the driver and the two other employees in the vehicle have been banned from all GM properties. The company also reportedly conducted “safety talks” at their facilities to reinforce their expectations amid the auto strike.


Those striking are not legally allowed to block the entrances and exits to facilities they’re picketing outside of. GM said its employees have been reminded to contact security if entrances or exits are blocked at its facilities.

Despite GM’s response, Fain said both GM and Stellantis are “enabling” the violence toward striking autoworkers after two other incidents were recently reported on picket lines.

According to Fain, a UAW member and a state senator were hit by cars while on a picket line outside a Stellantis facility in Mansfield, Massachusetts. Fain also said members striking at a Stellantis facility in Ontario, California had “guns pulled on them by non-union contractors crossing the line.”

In a video posted to Twitter/X on Thursday morning, Fain claimed the automakers hired those who initiated the violence to “try to break our strike.”

“These attacks on our members exercising their constitutional rights to strike and picket will not be tolerated,” Fain said.


In a statement provided to Local 4, Stellantis said it was appalled by Fain’s claims, calling them misleading, inflammatory and dangerous.

“Since the UAW expanded its strike to our parts distribution centers last Friday, we’ve witnessed an escalation of dangerous, and even violent, behavior by UAW picketers at several of those facilities, including slashing truck tires, jumping on vehicles, following people home and hurling racial slurs at dedicated Stellantis employees who are merely crossing the picket line to do their jobs,” the automaker’s statement read, in part. “The fact is, Stellantis has not hired any outside replacement workers, who Shawn Fain calls ‘scabs.’”

You can read entire statements from Stellantis and GM down below.

Last week, the UAW expanded its auto strike to include 38 additional GM and Stellantis facilities after talks with the companies failed to make “serious progress” by a union-imposed deadline of Friday, Sept. 22. One week later, on Friday Sept. 29, Fain is expected to announce that the strike will expand further, though it’s unclear which facilities will be targeted.


About 18,000 of the UAW’s 146,000 autoworkers were striking as of Thursday at a total of 41 facilities. Only one of those facilities belonged to Ford Motor Company, which is included in the UAW’s strike, but it wasn’t facing the same pressure as GM and Stellantis.

Since the union’s talks with Ford made significant progress last week, according to Fain, the company was spared from the strike expansion. It wasn’t clear if Ford would be included in the strike expansion expected this week.

UAW-represented autoworkers have been simultaneously striking at each of Detroit’s Big Three since Sept. 15 after both sides failed to reach an agreement by their Sept. 14 contract deadline. Bargaining has continued since and the companies have made counter offers to the union’s aggressive list of demands, but the parties have yet to make a deal.

---> More coverage of the 2023 UAW strike can be found here

Automaker statements​

From GM:

“The health and safety of all employees is General Motors’ overriding priority. On Tuesday, September 26 a third-party housekeeping contractor, employed by Malace, is suspected of striking five picketing employees with his vehicle while attempting to exit the Flint Processing Center after working a shift performing normal sanitation responsibilities. GM is cooperating with local authorities in their investigation.
"In response to this event, we have informed Malace that the suspected employee along with two other Malace employees who were in the vehicle at the time are no longer allowed on any GM property. Additionally, we have conducted safety talks at all GM facilities with active picketing activity to reinforce the expectation and requirement that any employees who experience picketers blockading entry or exit to our property contact site security to help them safely proceed past the picketing employees. This reinforcement is in addition to picketing safety talks that had already been completed with salaried and contract employees across all GM sites with UAW-represented employees."
General Motors

From Stellantis:

“We are appalled by the UAW’s characterization of the incidents occurring on the picket lines. Since the UAW expanded its strike to our parts distribution centers last Friday, we’ve witnessed an escalation of dangerous, and even violent, behavior by UAW picketers at several of those facilities, including slashing truck tires, jumping on vehicles, following people home and hurling racial slurs at dedicated Stellantis employees who are merely crossing the picket line to do their jobs. The fact is, Stellantis has not hired any outside replacement workers, who Shawn Fain calls “scabs”. Only current employees who are protecting our business and third parties making pick-ups and deliveries as they normally would are entering our facilities.
“The top levels of the UAW are aware of all this, yet Shawn Fain decided to make misleading and inflammatory statements, which will serve only to escalate the situation. We are extremely disappointed in the UAW leadership’s lack of ownership in this area, and we call on Shawn Fain and the entire UAW leadership to do its part to help ensure the safety of all Stellantis employees, including those on the picket line.
“Words matter. The deliberate use of inflammatory and violent rhetoric is dangerous and needs to stop. The companies are not “the enemy” and we are not at “war”. We respect our employees’ right to advocate for their position, including their right to peacefully picket. But the violence must stop. We have put a record offer on the table and are working hard to reach an agreement as quickly as possible, which will enable us to go back to work ... together. Let’s make every effort to de-escalate our words and our actions until then.”
Stellantis

So it doesn't happen in todays world.. LOL

 

[jamil]

I just read where GM hired scabs for $14-15 an hour.......so apparently people are willing to work a lot cheaper than I thought they would and I guess this answers my original question.

Dang. These days it shouldn't be hard to find a job that pays $20. But the scabs know they're temp workers. And they'll cross the picket line on the cheep.

 

[foszoe]

So is speeding and drunk driving, but yet it happens everyday.

I started in the elevator Trade in Baltimore, you dont cross a line in that town.
I still have family in the mines of WV, you definitely don't cross a line in that State.

As a WV natuve, i concur.

 

[jamil]

The days of union picket lines beating up people went away when everyone began having a camera (or two) in their pockets all the time.

Talk big all you want, but union people have money and property to lose in criminal and civil cases. And are typically the honest people that actually get prosecuted these days vs urban thugs who slip through the revolving door of the modern city justice systems.

I'd like to see some evidence of modern day scabs taking a beating at the picket line?

You addressed in the post what came to mind reading this. Thugs actually getting prosecuted. I don't think cities with Soros DA's will prosecute that. It would be just like the summer of love. Even if they were arrested for violence they'd be back on the picket line doing the same thing the next day.

But, it's a good point. What evidence is there that people crossing the picket lines are getting hurt by union workers? Maybe Creedmoor's welling up about thuggery is wistful thinking about the good ole days.

 

[bobzilla]

Call it whatever you want. The reality is, You cross a Union Picket line in some American towns, you're gonna get a ass beat. And thats if your lucky.

Mob is gonna do mob things.

 

[jamil]

You **** with a mans living, what do you think can happen?

Sounds to me like if someone's crossing a picket line they have a living on the line too. So do they have to raise a mob of thugs to battle a mob of thugs? Would someone desperate enough to take a job they know is temporary for **** pay, be any less tough than the comfy union guy?

Say you drive an import onto a Union Plant, why do you think you have to park as far away from the Union workers parking as it can get?

Because they haven't figured out how to manage their anger issues? It's not something to brag about really. Isn't that a low thing to do? Can't figure out a better way to secure a job than to try to coerce people to buy what you make? By vandalizing other people's cars? That ain't right.

You don't want people to buy foreign cars? Make yours better and cheaper than theirs. People have a right to buy what they want.

 

[sadclownwp]

"On Tuesday, Sept. 26, five UAW members were injured when a vehicle reportedly drove through the crowd of picketers while leaving GM’s Flint Processing Center. The individuals reportedly sustained minor injuries. Fain said two of the members were taken to the hospital.

GM identified the driver of the vehicle as a “third-party housekeeping contractor” employed by Malace, and said the driver and the two other employees in the vehicle have been banned from all GM properties. The company also reportedly conducted “safety talks” at their facilities to reinforce their expectations amid the auto strike.

Those striking are not legally allowed to block the entrances and exits to facilities they’re picketing outside of. "


Sounds to me like the union was blocking the exit and not allowing the individuals their freedom of movement. I mean if they were not allowing the individuals to escape, you are holding them against their will, that would show threat. If you are being held against your will, you have a right to self defense. Seriously if the union was not blocking the entrances and exits, how would they have been hit.

 

[Creedmoor]

As a WV natuve, i concur.

One would end up in the bottom of a holler.

Gotta love the Hill Monkeys. My oldest friend moved to Berkley Springs about a year ago.
I have Uncles and cousins in Page, Paw Paw, Berkley, Grafton, Hurricane, Keyser, Nitro and others.

 

[jamil]

This should tell everyone everything they need to know about the UAW and the people who work for them. Prove the union is full of people you would never want working for you. Dig that hole deeper man, you are doing an excellent job of it. My VW never had dents in it before working for Stellantis in Kokomo.

It does indeed.

But. A VW?

I'm not keen on German engineering. British is even worse. Sorry. Bad experiences. Not a fan.

 

[sadclownwp]

Call it whatever you want. The reality is, You cross a Union Picket line in some American towns, you're gonna get a ass beat. And thats if your lucky.

This shows the quality of union workers. Why would any company want to hire such violent and unsavory people. Keep digging that anti union hole deeper and deeper.

 

[jamil]

On Tuesday, Sept. 26, five UAW members were injured when a vehicle reportedly drove through the crowd of picketers while leaving GM’s Flint Processing Center. The individuals reportedly sustained minor injuries. Fain said two of the members were taken to the hospital

Was this like BLM/Antifa protesters? Blocking streets and someone makes the wrong turn, people swarm their car for daring to challenge their road closure. They panic and gun it? Anything like that happen?

If the drivers were at fault of course they should be prosecuted. But I'd like to get the other side of the story before we handle it the union picket line way.

 

[Cynical]

How about when the Union workers get hurt?
Just a few weeks ago.
On Tuesday, Sept. 26, five UAW members were injured when a vehicle reportedly drove through the crowd of picketers while leaving GM’s Flint Processing Center. The individuals reportedly sustained minor injuries. Fain said two of the members were taken to the hospital

GM identified the driver of the vehicle as a “third-party housekeeping contractor” employed by Malace, and said the driver and the two other employees in the vehicle have been banned from all GM properties. The company also reportedly conducted “safety talks” at their facilities to reinforce their expectations amid the auto strike.

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UAW chief blames GM, Stellantis for ‘violence on picket lines’ in Michigan, other states​

Car hit 5 striking members in Flint on Tuesday​

United Auto Workers President Shawn Fain talks with members at the Labor Day parade in Detroit, Monday, Sept. 4, 2023. (AP Photo/Paul Sancya) (Paul Sancya, Copyright 2023 The Associated Press. All rights reserved)

DETROIT – The president of the United Auto Workers union said Thursday that autoworkers on strike against the Detroit Big Three automakers have faced attacks on the picket lines this week in multiple states.
Tensions continue to rise between the UAW and the automakers, who have yet to come to an agreement after their contracts expired on Sept. 14. With the union continuing to expand its strike against the companies, non-unionized automotive suppliers and contractors may also feel the increasing pressure.

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It’s those contractors, and the automakers, that UAW President Shawn Fain is blaming for recent “violence against ... members on the picket lines” in Michigan, Massachusetts and California.

On Tuesday, Sept. 26, five UAW members were injured when a vehicle reportedly drove through the crowd of picketers while leaving GM’s Flint Processing Center. The individuals reportedly sustained minor injuries. Fain said two of the members were taken to the hospital.

GM identified the driver of the vehicle as a “third-party housekeeping contractor” employed by Malace, and said the driver and the two other employees in the vehicle have been banned from all GM properties. The company also reportedly conducted “safety talks” at their facilities to reinforce their expectations amid the auto strike.


Those striking are not legally allowed to block the entrances and exits to facilities they’re picketing outside of. GM said its employees have been reminded to contact security if entrances or exits are blocked at its facilities.

Despite GM’s response, Fain said both GM and Stellantis are “enabling” the violence toward striking autoworkers after two other incidents were recently reported on picket lines.

According to Fain, a UAW member and a state senator were hit by cars while on a picket line outside a Stellantis facility in Mansfield, Massachusetts. Fain also said members striking at a Stellantis facility in Ontario, California had “guns pulled on them by non-union contractors crossing the line.”

In a video posted to Twitter/X on Thursday morning, Fain claimed the automakers hired those who initiated the violence to “try to break our strike.”

“These attacks on our members exercising their constitutional rights to strike and picket will not be tolerated,” Fain said.


In a statement provided to Local 4, Stellantis said it was appalled by Fain’s claims, calling them misleading, inflammatory and dangerous.

“Since the UAW expanded its strike to our parts distribution centers last Friday, we’ve witnessed an escalation of dangerous, and even violent, behavior by UAW picketers at several of those facilities, including slashing truck tires, jumping on vehicles, following people home and hurling racial slurs at dedicated Stellantis employees who are merely crossing the picket line to do their jobs,” the automaker’s statement read, in part. “The fact is, Stellantis has not hired any outside replacement workers, who Shawn Fain calls ‘scabs.’”

You can read entire statements from Stellantis and GM down below.

Last week, the UAW expanded its auto strike to include 38 additional GM and Stellantis facilities after talks with the companies failed to make “serious progress” by a union-imposed deadline of Friday, Sept. 22. One week later, on Friday Sept. 29, Fain is expected to announce that the strike will expand further, though it’s unclear which facilities will be targeted.


About 18,000 of the UAW’s 146,000 autoworkers were striking as of Thursday at a total of 41 facilities. Only one of those facilities belonged to Ford Motor Company, which is included in the UAW’s strike, but it wasn’t facing the same pressure as GM and Stellantis.

Since the union’s talks with Ford made significant progress last week, according to Fain, the company was spared from the strike expansion. It wasn’t clear if Ford would be included in the strike expansion expected this week.

UAW-represented autoworkers have been simultaneously striking at each of Detroit’s Big Three since Sept. 15 after both sides failed to reach an agreement by their Sept. 14 contract deadline. Bargaining has continued since and the companies have made counter offers to the union’s aggressive list of demands, but the parties have yet to make a deal.

---> More coverage of the 2023 UAW strike can be found here

Automaker statements​

From GM:


From Stellantis:



So it doesn't happen in todays world.. LOL

I read a constitutional right to strike and picket Don’t remember that being in the constitution but it sounds good with a press interview. FYI not picking a fight because my son- in- law just got laid off from KTP. Just saying if you want to bargain in good faith don’t go dragging the constitution into it. Furthermore not directed at you but at Shawn Fein.

 

[foszoe]

This shows the quality of union workers. Why would any company want to hire such violent and unsavory people. Keep digging that anti union hole deeper and deeper.

If gun owners stuck together like that maybe we wouldn't get sold down the river

 

[jamil]

This shows the quality of union workers. Why would any company want to hire such violent and unsavory people. Keep digging that anti union hole deeper and deeper.

I mean, not all of them are militant. I worked with a lot of union guys who did their jobs and didn't get into all the union thuggery during strikes.

 

[jamil]

Both,
I was offered a job not long ago. I was to be trained with a few hundred others in one State and in 40-50 days or so go to another State to work in another plant.
I told myself, this is odd behavior, with the head hunter not telling me what plants I would be working in.
I surfed online and it was a Locomotive manufacturer. I called the head hunter back and asked if the second plant was a Union Plant and he said , why?
I asked if we were going to be asked if we were going to cross lines?
He said yes, if they go on strike. I responded with I'll pass.
He said I wasn't the first to tell him that.

If one crosses a picket line, be careful.

So it's not for a lack of workers. It's for a lack of workers that are willing to cross picket lines. And the thuggery you've spoken of.

 

[Creedmoor]

Sounds to me like if someone's crossing a picket line they have a living on the line too. So do they have to raise a mob of thugs to battle a mob of thugs? Would someone desperate enough to take a job they know is temporary for **** pay, be any less tough than the comfy union guy?


Because they haven't figured out how to manage their anger issues? It's not something to brag about really. Isn't that a low thing to do? Can't figure out a better way to secure a job than to try to coerce people to buy what you make? By vandalizing other people's cars? That ain't right.

You don't want people to buy foreign cars? Make yours better and cheaper than theirs. People have a right to buy what they want.

Theres no bragging here, I traveled as a Union man all over this land and across the big ponds. Ive seen things that apparently you haven't.
A bunch here just couldn't cut it in a Union facility.

I find it funny that with what a few of you Think you Know, with all your business knowledge you would be Executives at some of these Multinational Companies.
But your not.

 

[jamil]

"On Tuesday, Sept. 26, five UAW members were injured when a vehicle reportedly drove through the crowd of picketers while leaving GM’s Flint Processing Center. The individuals reportedly sustained minor injuries. Fain said two of the members were taken to the hospital.

GM identified the driver of the vehicle as a “third-party housekeeping contractor” employed by Malace, and said the driver and the two other employees in the vehicle have been banned from all GM properties. The company also reportedly conducted “safety talks” at their facilities to reinforce their expectations amid the auto strike.

Those striking are not legally allowed to block the entrances and exits to facilities they’re picketing outside of. "


Sounds to me like the union was blocking the exit and not allowing the individuals their freedom of movement. I mean if they were not allowing the individuals to escape, you are holding them against their will, that would show threat. If you are being held against your will, you have a right to self defense. Seriously if the union was not blocking the entrances and exits, how would they have been hit.

Like I said, it's no different from the poor schmucks who made a wrong turn and ended up in a violent mob.