UAW On Strike

[jamil]

We’re certainly not all on INGO because it’s making us suffer.

 

[jamil]

And what is that number?

The 20% offer isn’t bad. Anything over 25ish is probably too much.

 

[KLB]

The 20% offer isn’t bad. Anything over 25ish is probably too much.

How long is a typical contract?

 

[Creedmoor]

Well yeah. The marxists care about that stuff.

But, there’s a legitimate desire to see a fair solution. I think inflation has made their work worth more than they’re paid. I’d like to see them get paid what’s fair. Not a penny more.

Yep, please post what they should earn per hour, make sure you get all levels and Trades under The UAW's contract, along with what benefits they each should get over the time one works for the big three.

 

[Creedmoor]

The 20% offer isn’t bad. Anything over 25ish is probably too much.

Thats not the whole package of the contract.

 

[Creedmoor]

How long is a typical contract?

Ours were 4 years,I believe the UAW's are 4 also.

 

[KLB]

So they asked for 10% per year. That's a lot.

 

[bwframe]

...inflation has made their work worth more than they’re paid. I’d like to see them get paid what’s fair. Not a penny more.

The difficulty with the "equity" thought process is the same that applies to all of the social (blah, blah) thinking.

When one group of protestors get their "equity" then the protestors own promotion dictates that labor overall takes an upswing.

Consequently, cost of living goes up for all. Next thing we know, we all need more "equity," just to lead the life we are used to, including the initial protestors.

As we all know, and have heard time and time again about socialism; Eventually we run out of other people's money.

 

[jamil]

Ok. Calling the Picket line a sacred place is a over the line for me.

If you disagree, I don't care!

We both won!

 

[jamil]

And what is that number?

Well. I'll tell you when it gets absurd.

 

[jamil]

So they asked for 10% per year. That's a lot.

That's absurd.

 

[jamil]

The difficulty with the "equity" thought process is the same that applies to all of the social (blah, blah) thinking.

When one group of protestors get their "equity" then the protestors own promotion dictates that labor overall takes an upswing.

Consequently, cost of living goes up for all. Next thing we know, we all need more "equity," just to lead the life we are used to, including the initial protestors.

As we all know, and have heard time and time again about socialism; Eventually we run out of other people's money.

Equity is one thing. Getting paid fairly does not imply the kind of equity we're talking about. I think some of the offers on the table are fair.

 

[jamil]

Would you cross an Iron Workers or a Pipe Fitters Picket Line?

Depends if I thought there would be violence if I did. If it's safe, sure. Why not?

 

[Ziggidy]

Equity is one thing. Getting paid fairly does not imply the kind of equity we're talking about. I think some of the offers on the table are fair.

Everything has a price and that price seemingly always costs more for all of us.

 

[jamil]

Everything has a price and that price seemingly always costs more for all of us.

Sure. Cost is one of the factors. Labor costs money/resources. But price is determined by more than just cost. Besides cost there's also supply and demand, competition, market perception (brand loyalty/reputation, etcetera) that affects price.

Ford announced an offer they said was about all they could do. So they're probably getting to a point where labor costs would have to start cutting into profits and price more than they're willing to go. They still have to compete on price with the non-union manufacturers.

So it's not necessarily true that every penny the big three have to pay for labor directly affects car prices.

 

[bwframe]

Equity is one thing. Getting paid fairly does not imply the kind of equity we're talking about...

I was just addressing the UAW's own words on the subject...

The difficulty with the "equity" thought process is the same that applies to all of the social (blah, blah) thinking.

When one group of protestors get their "equity" then the protestors own promotion dictates that labor overall takes an upswing.

Consequently, cost of living goes up for all. Next thing we know, we all need more "equity," just to lead the life we are used to, including the initial protestors.

As we all know, and have heard time and time again about socialism; Eventually we run out of other people's money.

 

[CHCRandy]

At the risk of pissing people off........I got a question. Why don't the big 3 just start hiring new people to replace the striking UAW employees jobs/hire scabs? I would think that would be the proper way to find out if the money they pay is considered fair or not. If people are unwilling to go to work for GM, Ford or Dodge, we will know the strikers are right........but if people line up for jobs, then what?

On another note.....I remember when my family use to go on strike at the coal mines in Virginia/West Virginia.......them strikes use to get violent when scabs crossed the lines.

I am neither for or against unions......I really could care less, since I swore off American cars I have no horse in the race.

 

[Creedmoor]

That's absurd.

Would it be absurd if they took a cut and got nothing in the pocket the last two contracts?

 

[Creedmoor]

Depends if I thought there would be violence if I did. If it's safe, sure. Why not?

Odds are, its gonna hurt.

 

[jamil]

Odds are, its gonna hurt.

Which is wrong. And illegal.