UAW On Strike

[jamil]

I thought a crucial piece of socalism's definition was ownership.

Socialism is a theory of economics where the principle feature is public rather than private ownership. The goal, however, is equality of outcome. The goal of unions, broadly speaking, is equality of outcomes for its membership.

ETA: Unions, at least unions I've ever worked in or with, have advocated for union ownership of the business. If that isn't socialism, nothing is.

 

[jamil]

Learn to code even!

Hey. It’s not a bad gig. I’d do it for free if I didn’t have to earn a living.

 

[jamil]

I'd rather be ignorant than deluded.

One would be deluded if they believed something that is not true despite credible evidence that the opposite is true.

So, thinking that a narrow, disproportionate sample accurately represents the whole, despite documented aggregate information to the contrary, I think fits the definition just fine.

 

[jamil]

So you are a liberal Democrat?
Your elected leader is so that makes you one even if you don't identity as one.

What makes the guilt by association likely in the minds of the people watching, is support of the socialist, especially without criticism or acknowledgment of his socialist behavior.

Has anyone in this thread on the union skeptic side voted for Joe Biden, or shown any support at all for him or Democrats? Does anyone here praise Joe Biden while avoiding acknowledgment of his faults? Or criticizing them?

 

[jamil]

Try once more. Important subject for discussion, please keep it between the ditches.

Ah. So due to the strike we are indeed working without breaks to pump. Best we can hope for is avoiding the ditches?

 

[Ingomike]

Ah. So due to the strike we are indeed working without breaks to pump. Best we can hope for is avoiding the ditches?

I was trying to pump the breaks when it was time for our brakes…

 

[foszoe]

One would be deluded if they believed something that is not true despite credible evidence that the opposite is true.

So, thinking that a narrow, disproportionate sample accurately represents the whole, despite documented aggregate information to the contrary, I think fits the definition just fine.

I am not sure what you mean by definition...definition of what?

As to your first paragraph I would say true ignorance is not and cannot be delusion

The actual statement I like though is this...

I would rather have real confusion rather than false clarity.

Real Confusion and False Clarity - Orthodox Road

“Better real confusion than false clarity,” as Fr. Thomas Hopko of blessed memory used to say. It is a quote that has been on my mind quite a bit lately. It seems it is in our nature to seek clarity in a situation, even if it cannot really be found. St. Paisios lamented what television …...

www.orthodoxroad.com

 

[foszoe]

Socialism is a theory of economics where the principle feature is public rather than private ownership. The goal, however, is equality of outcome. The goal of unions, broadly speaking, is equality of outcomes for its membership.

ETA: Unions, at least unions I've ever worked in or with, have advocated for union ownership of the business. If that isn't socialism, nothing is.

You live more in the theoretical world than I.

If the contract negotiation doesn't include ownership, then the strike doesn't meet the definition of socialism

 

[Ziggidy]

How can anyone not love the entertainment found on INGO?

 

[oze]

I was trying to pump the breaks when it was time for our brakes…

You guys are braking me up.

 

[jamil]

You live more in the theoretical world than I.

If the contract negotiation doesn't include ownership, then the strike doesn't meet the definition of socialism

Well sure, philosophically unions are on the socialistic spectrum. Which does translate to real world actions. Ownership would obviously be impossible to negotiate for a publicly traded company.

 

[foszoe]

Well sure, philosophically unions are on the socialistic spectrum. Which does translate to real world actions. Ownership would obviously be impossible to negotiate for a publicly traded company.

That all my be true, but it's outside the scope of the thread really as your last sentence suggests

 

[bwframe]

I'm just hoping Fain doesn't show up for his next press conference in a "Free Palestine" shirt.

 

[jamil]

That all my be true, but it's outside the scope of the thread really as your last sentence suggests

I said this earlier. It’s INGO. People discuss what they discuss. Subtopics break out all the time in every thread. You’re free to scroll on if you don’t want to participate.

 

[foszoe]

I said this earlier. It’s INGO. People discuss what they discuss. Subtopics break out all the time in every thread. You’re free to scroll on if you don’t want to participate.

An observation is not a judgment

 

[jamil]

An observation is not a judgment

Whether it is or is not out of the scope of the thread is a judgement. I don’t think it is.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I said this earlier. It’s INGO. People discuss what they discuss. Subtopics break out all the time in every thread. You’re free to scroll on if you don’t want to participate.

Yep. Its quite normal for tangents. Like talking about pineapple on pizza while waiting for the next runner.

If a thread gets too far off into the weeds, mods may give it a nudge back. But we tend to wait and see if it will self correct.

 

[jamil]

we’re talking about the UAW strike. Which is between the union and the manufacturers. Discussing the motivations underlying them both seems fair. I’m game for discussing the antics of the crony capitalist HBIC of GM if people want. It’s as relevant to the motivations behind both sides as the socialist nature of unions.

 

[printcraft]

I'm just hoping Fain doesn't show up for his next press conference in a "Free Palestine" shirt.

I mean, would you be shocked?

 

[jamil]

Birds of a feather.