Trump pardons Sheriff Joe

[Kutnupe14]

I'm not a Trump fan. Sheriff Joe may have been an a$$. But I sleep better at night knowing an 85 year old man with a contempt of court record is roaming the streets than I do thinking about Obama's 1,927 pardons/clemencies given to major drug dealers who are now seeking a way to make a living.

Let's stick to facts.

 

[Trigger Time]

So why was his federal authority revoked by obama?
On this issue it still seems to me that now was the victim of Democrat politics and a corrupt judge

 

[spec4]

I love how the phony liberals, including McCain, are so outraged over this. Where were they when Clinton pardoned Marc Rich?

As afar as McCain goes, for me, this was the last straw. Please Arizona, retire this RINO.

 

[halfmileharry]

I love how the phony liberals, including McCain, are so outraged over this. Where were they when Clinton pardoned Marc Rich?

As afar as McCain goes, for me, this was the last straw. Please Arizona, retire this RINO.

The Republicans were raising hell but no one was broadcasting their displeasure except for Fox occasionally.
It wasn't a large enough event to sell advertising so the media kinda skipped over it.

 

[KMaC]

Let's stick to facts.

Don't know what you are referring to. Wikipedia-By the end of his presidency on January 20, 2017, Barack Obama had exercised his constitutional power to grant executive clemency—that is, "pardon, commutation of sentence, remission of fine or restitution, and reprieve"[SUP][1][/SUP]—to 1,927 individuals convicted of federal crimes. Of the acts of clemency, 1,715 were commutations (including 504 life sentences) and 212 were pardons.[SUP][2][/SUP] Most individuals granted executive clemency by Obama had been convicted on drug charges,[SUP][3][/SUP] and had received lengthy and sometimes mandatory sentences at the height of the War on Drugs.[SUP][4][/SUP]

 

[Expat]

I know it is bad to feel this way. It can encourage things that are actually bad... having said that, anything that gets the leftists panties this wadded up, I am okay with as it gives me great entertainment...

 

[Kutnupe14]

Don't know what you are referring to. Wikipedia-By the end of his presidency on January 20, 2017, Barack Obama had exercised his constitutional power to grant executive clemency—that is, "pardon, commutation of sentence, remission of fine or restitution, and reprieve"[SUP][1][/SUP]—to 1,927 individuals convicted of federal crimes. Of the acts of clemency, 1,715 were commutations (including 504 life sentences) and 212 were pardons.[SUP][2][/SUP] Most individuals granted executive clemency by Obama had been convicted on drug charges,[SUP][3][/SUP] and had received lengthy and sometimes mandatory sentences at the height of the War on Drugs.[SUP][4][/SUP]

You said "Obama's 1,927 pardons/clemencies given to major drug dealers," which states, as fact, that ALL of Obama's pardon's and clemencies were given to major drug dealers. That simply isn't true.

 

[KMaC]

You said "Obama's 1,927 pardons/clemencies given to major drug dealers," which states, as fact, that ALL of Obama's pardon's and clemencies were given to major drug dealers. That simply isn't true.

Sorry, I'll correct that. Most individuals granted executive clemency by Obama had been convicted on drug charges,

 

[Trigger Time]

I know it is bad to feel this way. It can encourage things that are actually bad... having said that, anything that gets the leftists panties this wadded up, I am okay with as it gives me great entertainment...

I'm with you. I've started to make liberal head exploding sounds now when i read something cool Trump does. It makes it so much better with sound effects

 

[Kutnupe14]

Sorry, I'll correct that. Most individuals granted executive clemency by Obama had been convicted on drug charges,

Thank you. It's a significant difference than saying that they were ALL MAJOR DRUG DEALERS.

 

[halfmileharry]

This one single pardon has gotten more news coverage than all of Obamas combined.
Talk about MSM perspective.

 

[Alpo]

Sorry, I'll correct that. Most individuals granted executive clemency by Obama had been convicted on drug charges,

"Major drug dealers" down to "convicted on drug charges". Quite a difference, amigo.

 

[KMaC]

"Major drug dealers" down to "convicted on drug charges". Quite a difference, amigo.

Since these persons were convicted on Federal drug charges and received sentences long enough for Obama to pardon them I'm guessing they weren't a kid selling an ounce of pot. Usually a Federal conviction involves being part of an interstate organization that moves significant quantities of drugs. But my point was that one old man being pardoned presents less threat to society than a significant number (whatever that number is) of drug dealers being released into society.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Since these persons were convicted on Federal drug charges and received sentences long enough for Obama to pardon them I'm guessing they weren't a kid selling an ounce of pot. Usually a Federal conviction involves being part of an interstate organization that moves significant quantities of drugs. But my point was that one old man being pardoned presents less threat to society than a significant number (whatever that number is) of drug dealers being released into society.

Big Picture, your missing it.

 

[Alpo]

Since these persons were convicted on Federal drug charges and received sentences long enough for Obama to pardon them I'm guessing they weren't a kid selling an ounce of pot. Usually a Federal conviction involves being part of an interstate organization that moves significant quantities of drugs. But my point was that one old man being pardoned presents less threat to society than a significant number (whatever that number is) of drug dealers being released into society.

You are aware of the differences in sentencing guidelines for different drugs? Have you bothered to look at any/some of the cases? Are you aware that Obama pardoned fewer than President Reagan? And Ford. And Eisenhower. And Nixon. Since you mention "guessing", my conclusion would be that you've thrown out something to see if it would stay aloft through the hot air of others.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Warrant? Absolutely different, it is a court order requiring any law enforcement officer to take into custody.

The contempt conviction decision written by judge Bolton neither discusses, nor explores, how many of the 174 illegal aliens detained by MCSO after the injunction was issued had warrants, deportation orders and/or detainers issued against them as a reason, beyond merely being present illegally, for being detained.

Note that of the 174 detained, 171 were taken into custody by ICE under Obama's Priority Enforcement program, strongly indicating that they were convicted felons or fugitives with warrants against them. It is also very strong evidence that they were not detained "based only on knowledge or reasonable belief, without more, that the person is unlawfully present ". Obama's ICE was not taking "mere" illegals at that time, and issued a press release immediately after the injunction that they definitely would not take them from Joe.

And, the other three, there is nothing in the decision indicating that they were merely "unlawfully present", only that ICE did not accept them.

Did MCSO detain illegal aliens based only upon unlawful presence and nothing more, in violation of the injunction? There is nothing in the decision indicating they did, in fact the decision presents very strong evidence (ICE took custody) that the overwhelming majority (171 of the 174) had a warrant, deportation order or detainer against them, and that is more than merely present by any rational standard.

Contempt requires two parts... one, that Arpaio violated the order, and two that he did so purposefully. While his political grandstanding (just prior to the 2012 election, btw) that he was going to do what he had always done could be used to prove the second part (purposefulness), there are no facts presented that he actually violated the order. That is a pretty basic and glaring hole for a criminal charge, even a misdemeanor one.

 

[hopper68]

You said "Obama's 1,927 pardons/clemencies given to major drug dealers," which states, as fact, that ALL of Obama's pardon's and clemencies were given to major drug dealers. That simply isn't true.

Interesting read. He even pardoned someone for transferring a firearm without paying transfer tax.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_granted_executive_clemency_by_Barack_Obama

 

[Fargo]

The contempt conviction decision written by judge Bolton neither discusses, nor explores, how many of the 174 illegal aliens detained by MCSO after the injunction was issued had warrants, deportation orders and/or detainers issued against them as a reason, beyond merely being present illegally, for being detained.

Note that of the 174 detained, 171 were taken into custody by ICE under Obama's Priority Enforcement program, strongly indicating that they were convicted felons or fugitives with warrants against them. It is also very strong evidence that they were not detained "based only on knowledge or reasonable belief, without more, that the person is unlawfully present ". Obama's ICE was not taking "mere" illegals at that time, and issued a press release immediately after the injunction that they definitely would not take them from Joe.

And, the other three, there is nothing in the decision indicating that they were merely "unlawfully present", only that ICE did not accept them.

Did MCSO detain illegal aliens based only upon unlawful presence and nothing more, in violation of the injunction? There is nothing in the decision indicating they did, in fact the decision presents very strong evidence (ICE took custody) that the overwhelming majority (171 of the 174) had a warrant, deportation order or detainer against them, and that is more than merely present by any rational standard.

Contempt requires two parts... one, that Arpaio violated the order, and two that he did so purposefully. While his political grandstanding (just prior to the 2012 election, btw) that he was going to do what he had always done could be used to prove the second part (purposefulness), there are no facts presented that he actually violated the order. That is a pretty basic and glaring hole for a criminal charge, even a misdemeanor one.

Trial on the contempt charge already happened, and he already lost. I'm not entirely certain why you are fascinated with trying to relitigate it, he had a really good legal counsel and plenty of money for his defense.

That said, directing a subordinate to violate a court order is contempt just the same as if you violate the order itself. Your fixation on the 174 is not particularly relevant to whether or not he directed his deputies to violate the order. He openly stated that he was doing so, the contempt is complete at that point regardless of what happens after.

 

[BugI02]

You said "Obama's 1,927 pardons/clemencies given to major drug dealers," which states, as fact, that ALL of Obama's pardon's and clemencies were given to major drug dealers. That simply isn't true.

Sorry, I'll correct that. Most individuals granted executive clemency by Obama had been convicted on drug charges,

Over 80%

https://www.justice.gov/pardon/obama-pardons

 

[KMaC]

You are aware of the differences in sentencing guidelines for different drugs? Have you bothered to look at any/some of the cases? Are you aware that Obama pardoned fewer than President Reagan? And Ford. And Eisenhower. And Nixon. Since you mention "guessing", my conclusion would be that you've thrown out something to see if it would stay aloft through the hot air of others.

Sorry, I wasn't differentiating between pardons and commutations because wikipedia didn't for any other President than Obama. So I went to the DOJ website for a breakdown. You are correct that Obama pardoned fewer than those Presidents. His commutations however are significantly higher.

Eisenhower pardons- 1110, commutations-47, Total- 1157
Nixon pardons-863, commutations-60, Total- 923
Ford pardons-382, commutations-22, Total- 404
Reagan pardons-393, commutations- 13, Total- 406
Obama pardons-212, commutations-1715, Total- 1927

I think this gives a better comparison than strictly using the term pardon.