Trump 2024 ???

[KG1]

Damn conservatives.

 

[Ingomike]

Damn conservatives.

They damn themselves, you can read it firsthand right on INGO…

 

[Route 45]

They damn themselves, you can read it firsthand right on INGO…

Liberals like to say that conservatives are stupid.

Are they right?

 

[KG1]

They damn themselves, you can read it firsthand right on INGO…

I guess the message is they need to practice conservatism in moderation. Move to the center.

 

[BugI02]

Liberals like to say that conservatives are stupid.

Are they right?

Self-styled True Scotsmen Conservatives™ like to say you can't be 'conservative' and oppose the established order, so if you are against globalism, selling out the middle class and forever war then you are a populist, not a conservative (and populism is bad, for some reason)

Are they right? Hint: to answer this will answer your other question

 

[BugI02]

I guess the message is they need to practice conservatism in moderation. Move to the center.

Politics is a matter of pragmatism, not of idealism. It is a matter of creating achievable goals and implementing them in the real world or it becomes just talk

 

[Route 45]

 

[Magyars]

The two American Cincinnatus

Bannon: President Trump Will Return Like Cincinnatus And Murdoch Can’t Do Anything To Stop It

Bannon: President Trump Will Return Like Cincinnatus And Murdoch Can’t Do Anything To Stop It

rumble.com

 

[jamil]

The two American Cincinnatus

Bannon: President Trump Will Return Like Cincinnatus And Murdoch Can’t Do Anything To Stop It

Bannon: President Trump Will Return Like Cincinnatus And Murdoch Can’t Do Anything To Stop It

rumble.com

While I'd certainly take Trump over the alternative, I think you guys are on crack if you think it's an inevitability. You're underestimating the powers that be and the lengths to which they would go to protect what they have.

 

[jamil]

Self-styled True Scotsmen Conservatives™ like to say you can't be 'conservative' and oppose the established order, so if you are against globalism, selling out the middle class and forever war then you are a populist, not a conservative (and populism is bad, for some reason)

Are they right? Hint: to answer this will answer your other question

Ain't nothing wrong with being a populist. Who wants appointed elitists to rule over us? Individualists tend to be conservative. Every conservative with a shred of individualist instincts should be a devout populist. Otherwise, they're just fools, voting against their own best interests and personal autonomy.

That's right. I said any of you who are conservative and think you're individualists, are fools if you're not also a populist. Populism isn't Nazism, as the elites like to claim. It's simply wanting popular representation rather than elitist/idealogue representation.

I think it's the chamber-o-commerce conservancy that has the most elitist thinking on the right; that they know best how to order society. They're grifters who con sleepy conservatives into joining the cult of globalism which does not benefit most ordinary US citizens short term or long.

That's why I talk mock CoC/neocon Republicans. They're the worst of the Right Wing, because they justify anti-conservative, anti-individualist policies to uphold their own power. Mike Pence should be their poster-boy.

Anyway, the problem with rulers is that ruling is never selfless.

 

[Ingomike]

@GodFearinGunTotin @jamil I have reconsidered that Trump is a politician. I also believe he is doing what @jamil is always asking, being more calculating in his comments expecting his base to remain solid while not inflaming his enemies, but alas his base cannot let him walk the line…

 

[jamil]

@GodFearinGunTotin @jamil I have reconsidered that Trump is a politician. I also believe he is doing what @jamil is always asking, being more calculating in his comments expecting his base to remain solid while not inflaming his enemies, but alas his base cannot let him walk the line…

Agreed, but part of being a politician is learning how to walk the line while not pissing off people in the base on matters of principle. Notice I said people in the base, because it’s not a monolith. Individuals with individual principles, given individually derived priorities, make up his base.

 

[jamil]

Again referring to populism, there are elites, and their supporters and there are populists. Supporting elites is portrayed as the reasonable choice, and supporting populists is for fascist nationalists, or some other nefarious group behind populists. Populists can be as manipulated as the elite supporters are. That happens either way. Butnif you support elitists consider how little they care about you and how much they want to order society to work for them at your expense.

 

[KLB]

Again referring to populism, there are elites, and their supporters and there are populists. Supporting elites is portrayed as the reasonable choice, and supporting populists is for fascist nationalists, or some other nefarious group behind populists. Populists can be as manipulated as the elite supporters are. That happens either way. Butnif you support elitists consider how little they care about you and how much they want to order society to work for them at your expense.

Trump isn't an elitist?

 

[Route 45]

Trump isn't an elitist?

Well, he likes Big Macs.

 

[jamil]

Trump isn't an elitist?

If he is, he’s not a populist.

 

[KLB]

If he is, he’s not a populist.

Does one have to actually BE a populist to run as one? I would say Trump is very much a member of the "elite".

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

If he is, he’s not a populist.

I think the first time around he rode a wave of populism. He stumbled upon illegal immigration and China and the right’s disdain for them and rode that horse to the White House. This time around, he doesn’t appear to be that so much. I can’t figure him out yet. He attacks what should have been his biggest accomplishment and pimps what should have been something he should be distancing himself from. Last time he attacked everyone else from the right and made all of the other republicans seem like they were all leftists. This time, not so much. He seems to be fighting much of what should be in his base while trying to attract moderates who hate the very ground he walks on.

 

[Ingomike]

He stumbled upon illegal immigration and China and the right’s disdain for them and rode that horse to the White House.

This is misinformed. Behind a paywall and couldn’t read it all but I believe this explains what I have posted here several times.

Trump Forged His Ideas on Trade in the 1980s—and Never Deviated

The president has been consistent on trade for decades, unlike on other issues, both in tone and substance. Longtime acquaintances say his philosophy came out of his experience in the cutthroat world of New York real estate and the rise of Japan as a global economic power.

www.wsj.com

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

This is misinformed. Behind a paywall and couldn’t read it all but I believe this explains what I have posted here several times.

Trump Forged His Ideas on Trade in the 1980s—and Never Deviated

The president has been consistent on trade for decades, unlike on other issues, both in tone and substance. Longtime acquaintances say his philosophy came out of his experience in the cutthroat world of New York real estate and the rise of Japan as a global economic power.

www.wsj.com

His 2016 campaign was pretty listless until the stumbled upon “build the wall”, “Chyyna”, oh and the forgot as soon as he was elected: “lock her up”.