Trump 2024 ???

[jamil]

I'm getting a vibe here that we should all vote for Trump, no matter what, because he's better than the donkey that he is running against. Just like Todd Young, right? Except that, unlike Trump, Young is not pro-abortion, and he knows the difference between a man and a woman.

Hey wait a minute. Are you implying Trump…you know… with…

 

[oze]

Hey wait a minute. Are you implying Trump…you know… with…

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GOP rivals pounce on Trump after ex-prez fumbles when asked if a man ‘can become a woman’ by Megyn Kelly

Former President Donald Trump refused to give a clear answer on whether he believes it’s possible to change one’s sex in his interview with Megyn Kelly.

nypost.com

Hmm, mebbe.

 

[BugI02]

You mad bruh?

Nope, just really, really low on ****s to give. None left for INGO

 

[BugI02]

I'm getting a vibe here that we should all vote for Trump, no matter what, because he's better than the donkey that he is running against. Just like Todd Young, right? Except that, unlike Trump, Young is not pro-abortion, and he knows the difference between a man and a woman.

The vibe you should be getting is that nobody gives a dry **** who you're willing to vote for only so long as they meet your ever-growing list of complaints

Vote for a libertarian (or DeSantis, same difference)

 

[Ziggidy]

Vote for a libertarian (or DeSantis, same difference)

Why throw a good vote away?

 

[BugI02]

Why throw a good vote away?

I don't want to call them neverTrump or ABT because they'll have a hissy-fit, but I don't think there is a vote for Trump there no matter what he does. I think some of them will just latch onto any excuse to keep the hem of their robe clean (in their mind)

I believe we'll have better luck trying to persuade the persuadable rather than expend any further effort on the incorrigible

 

[BugI02]

Remember, these are some of the same people who badgered me to pick who my second choice would be and then refused to accept that I chose Vivek. I was told I only picked him because I don't like DeSantis (they were half right)

 

[jamil]

Remember, these are some of the same people who badgered me to pick who my second choice would be and then refused to accept that I chose Vivek. I was told I only picked him because I don't like DeSantis (they were half right)

Huh. I must have been on vacation when that conversation happened. I think Vivek is defiantly outperforming expectations. He sounds like a smart, articulate version of Trump.

 

[jamil]

Nope, just really, really low on ****s to give. None left for INGO

Well. You could always lobby INGO management to make INGO a Trump criticism free zone. What an information bubble that would be. Never have to know there’s even a world where Trump could possibly be criticized by other conservatives. You could have Trump praise threads. And no one is allowed to say a negative word. It’d be a regular utrumpia. Wouldn’t that be swell?

 

[BugI02]

Well. You could always lobby INGO management to make INGO a Trump criticism free zone. What an information bubble that would be. Never have to know there’s even a world where Trump could possibly be criticized by other conservatives. You could have Trump praise threads. And no one is allowed to say a negative word. It’d be a regular utrumpia. Wouldn’t that be swell?

Maybe just ask for truth in advertising from this contingent vvvvv

 

[BugI02]

Biden world fears Trump may muddy the waters on abortion

Democrats fear Trump is trying to present himself as a moderate on an issue proving vulnerable for Republicans.

www.politico.com

 

[Ingomike]

Biden world fears Trump may muddy the waters on abortion

Democrats fear Trump is trying to present himself as a moderate on an issue proving vulnerable for Republicans.

www.politico.com

Turning the dem playbook back at them. Dem says “I am not coming for your guns, I own several and love shooting”, NOBODY on the left cares, they know it is all for show. A republican that has
already proven they walk the walk, says anything moderate to the electorate about abortion and the sky is falling.

This is why we can’t have nice things…

 

[jamil]

Maybe just ask for truth in advertising from this contingent vvvvv

It's why you angrily strike back when someone says they can't vote for Trump for not being fully pro-life. And there is a pragmatic argument you could be making, but you don't. You just whine that people aren't as fully on board with Trump as you think they should be.

 

[jamil]

Biden world fears Trump may muddy the waters on abortion

Democrats fear Trump is trying to present himself as a moderate on an issue proving vulnerable for Republicans.

www.politico.com

Like I've said before, it is indeed a problem for Republicans, and a reason why they didn't do as well as they should have in 2022 midterms. Democrats were able to make the case that anti-abortion Republicans are radical, and will ban it everywhere, pin that on Trump, and then make the election about stopping Trump. We've already gone over how Trump endorsees fared in the midterms.

Trump is being advised well to distance himself from that, but it's going to be a balancing act to keep conservatives with strongly held pro-life beliefs voting for Trump.

 

[KG1]

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It's why you angrily strike back when someone says they can't vote for Trump for not being fully pro-life. And there is a pragmatic argument you could be making, but you don't. You just whine that people aren't as fully on board with Trump as you think they should be.

Pragmatism means that you must be willing to sacrifice a certain amount of conviction and standards. For some that only goes so far.

 

[jamil]

Pragmatism means that you must be willing to sacrifice a certain amount of conviction and standards.

Like I said earlier, sometimes pragmatism gets you closer to your ideal than you would have gotten if you strictly held to principle. Who is better on abortion? Trump? Or Biden? And the correct answer is not "they're both the same."

I think principles tempered by some pragmatism is a pretty good combination.

 

[Ingomike]

Trump

Like I said earlier, sometimes pragmatism gets you closer to your ideal than you would have gotten if you strictly held to principle. Who is better on abortion? Trump? Or Biden? And the correct answer is not "they're both the same."

I think principles tempered by some pragmatism is a pretty good combination.

This seems to imply a change of position is what is pragmatic vs. rhetoric…

 

[KG1]

Like I said earlier, sometimes pragmatism gets you closer to your ideal than you would have gotten if you strictly held to principle. Who is better on abortion? Trump? Or Biden? And the correct answer is not "they're both the same."

I think principles tempered by some pragmatism is a pretty good combination.

I agree that a certain amount of pragmatism is needed otherwise you'll never be able vote if strictly based on principle. There is no such candidate that will satisfy all of your principles.

 

[LeftyGunner]

Republicans are now faced with the same problem as Democrats were in 2020: the primary front runner is a populist, but the business-as-usual political gravy train demands a Chamber of Commerce globalist...so we get Biden.

I believe the only way we’ll ever get a populist elected is to find one that appeals broadly across traditional party lines. That’s a point that Bernie failed miserably on…and so does Trump.

The big corporate money is always going to go to the candidate viewed as least likely to rock the boat…any populist has to have broad appeal across the political spectrum to overcome the CoC machine.

 

[LeftyGunner]

I agree that a certain amount of pragmatism is needed otherwise you'll never be able vote if strictly based on principle. There is no such candidate that will satisfy all of your principles.

Who’s principles align neatly to a forced binary, anyway?

It’s absurd that we have allowed political parties to lay claim to specific human rights…

If you value your right to personal defense you can only vote Republican…but if you value your right to privacy you can only vote Democrat.

Dammit, I want both…they don’t belong to the government to begin with.

It’s all a song and dance to make the Chamber of Commerce globalists look like the adult in the room.