Trump 2024 ???

[jamil]

I disagree, I think ludicrous is too strong a term. It does look petty, but the house has a statutory right to the information, so this fight was always likely to break their way, and it was really pretty dumb of the Trump team to fight it.

To me, this is just another illustration Trump’s total lack of character.

Character used to matter to Republicans, that was why it was so important to impeach Clinton for lying about getting office head...because his poor character reflects badly upon our country, and we need someone who has the integrity required for the tough decisions a president has to make.

Trump proved that was all just ********…character is something you use against your opposition, not something required of your own candidates.

I don’t care about his mean tweets. I care that he is morally bankrupt, and people are seriously willing to hand him the keys to the vault…again.

That’s what’s ludicrous to me.

Okay. I’m in agreement that generally Trump is not a very moral person. He ****ed a porn star while his wife was pregnant. But. I’m trying to determine what moral principles you think he’s violated here. You didn’t really say what he did wrong.

 

[Ziggidy]

This viewpoint I find concerning.

The apparent religious fervor of his disciples.

How can any Trump supporter be certain that he is the only candidate we have? Now literally that's true of course as he is the only one to declare.

To think of him as so unique that no one could do any better though is a savior complex.

I have never been to war, but this doesn't remind me of any I ever read about. To me, calling this a "war" is like calling Korea a "police action". So I don't believe we are at war, especially the type referencing D-Day.

Do you always twist words around to make your inaccurate accusations? You can surely disagree without inaccurately interpreting my statement. Surely you can, right?

 

[SheepDog4Life]

I disagree, I think ludicrous is too strong a term. It does look petty, but the house has a statutory right to the information, so this fight was always likely to break their way, and it was really pretty dumb of the Trump team to fight it.

To me, this is just another illustration Trump’s total lack of character.

Character used to matter to Republicans, that was why it was so important to impeach Clinton for lying about getting office head...because his poor character reflects badly upon our country, and we need someone who has the integrity required for the tough decisions a president has to make.

Trump proved that was all just ********…character is something you use against your opposition, not something required of your own candidates.

I don’t care about his mean tweets. I care that he is morally bankrupt, and people are seriously willing to hand him the keys to the vault…again.

That’s what’s ludicrous to me.

And I'll disagree with you... the Dems drive for his tax returns were always about leaking or releasing them, not about any legitimate lawmaking exercise.

Weaponizing state powers is a dangerous thing... especially when the fundamental purpose is obtaining more power.

 

[foszoe]

Do you always twist words around to make your inaccurate accusations? You can surely disagree without inaccurately interpreting my statement. Surely you can, right?

Show me where my post was inaccurate?

I didn't twist anything.

I certainly don't always do it.

All I did was respond to 2 of your posts that contained religious language and commented on it.

That and war. Which using war and D-Day certainly couches the subject.

Nor did you answer questions in my posts.

 

[KG1]

I'm not gonna get too much into it but for some reason he has a penchant for using biblical analogies for whatever reason when it comes to the mistreatment of DJT. I think from his past postings I got the impression Ziggidy is a person of faith, and I don't believe he actually believes Trump to be akin to Christ the Saviour. if I'm wrong about his religious beliefs he can correct me.

Anyway that's what I wanted to say, and I think it is unfortunates that the focus has been about him in several posts and not the subject matter of the thread as a whole.

 

[foszoe]

Ziggidy is a person of faith,

From his posting history, I would agree, as am I. So I believe Ziggidy should know throwing out a Judas reference to those who don't support Trump is insulting. That post was elicited my first response and all those after.

I point blank asked him if he was calling me Judas and got no response.

I asked how he can be certain Trump is the ONLY candidate and got no response.

What I got was a victim response saying I always twist his words using absolutist language.

The religious overtones and absolutist language resemble a bunker apocalyptic approach. I am not saying that is Ziggidy but I am asking the questions above and not getting an answer.

I respect Ziggidy as a person overall and have found several of his posts revealing his faith to be inspirational. If not for insinuating Judas's I would never have replied.

I consider what Judas did to be far more reprehensible than anyone in Washington and what they can do.

 

[Twangbanger]

I hear what you are saying but I cannot agree. The moment I come into agreement that he cannot win, it adds another nail in the cross. Then we both express that opinion and we convince others he cannot win, they add more nails. Those people convince others and others until the time when he loses before he was able to run. That IMO is losing a battle before it starts. I am confident on D-Day their speech was quite different than what we are expressing today, right now.

We are at war, believe it or not. To deny the only candidate we have, in spite of his track record, is like giving a doomsday speech the hour before D-Day. Why even try?

But obviously there are going to be other Republican candidates besides Trump. They just haven't announced yet. Trump lost the "right" to an uncontested primary, when he lost the 2020 election.

You sound like A) you're afraid Trump might not win the GOP Primary, and B) if he doesn't win the GOP Primary, it's equivalent to losing D-Day. You do not sound like you're even considering the possibility there may be a better way than Trump. You don't sound like you're capable of conceiving there may be a better possibility than Trump.

In a roundabout way, I'm saying, you don't seem to have a grasp of objective reality when it comes to Trump. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But I'm simply pointing out, Jamil seems to be right - the attitude seems to be, "It's very inconvenient that others are pointing out uncomfortable truths about Trump - they should stop expressing those opinions because it's irresponsible and harms the country."

I think we should look at _all_ inconvenient realities about all candidates, so that "our side" comes up with a best path forward. Trying to limit that kind of discourse seems intended to limit people's choices. I'm sensing a little bit of a savior complex about Trump. At this point in the game, we should all be agreeing to look at all the information, warts and all, so we can assess our best path. You sound like you've already determined Trump is that path. And again, don't sell me the stuff about him being the only candidate - we know that will not be true in another year.

 

[HoosierLife]

I would love for Trump to be president again.


It would be fair.

I just think he will stir up the left and create more voter turn out for the left that it will make it easier for them ballot harvest and all the other shady stuff they do and win.

Doesn’t matter.

As Boomers die off, the majority will always vote hardcore left.

The silver lining is Jesus’ return is that much closer.

 

[Ziggidy]

From his posting history, I would agree, as am I. So I believe Ziggidy should know throwing out a Judas reference to those who don't support Trump is insulting. That post was elicited my first response and all those after.

I point blank asked him if he was calling me Judas and got no response.

I asked how he can be certain Trump is the ONLY candidate and got no response.

What I got was a victim response saying I always twist his words using absolutist language.

The religious overtones and absolutist language resemble a bunker apocalyptic approach. I am not saying that is Ziggidy but I am asking the questions above and not getting an answer.

I respect Ziggidy as a person overall and have found several of his posts revealing his faith to be inspirational. If not for insinuating Judas's I would never have replied.

I consider what Judas did to be far more reprehensible than anyone in Washington and what they can do.

I will not change or add to any of my responses just to satisfy you; it's not about you.

You consistently take things out of context or apply them wrongly and expect others to re-write their posts to your liking. Maybe you need to stop taking things wrong. Your implied implications do not match the intentions.

I see you do this allot; maybe you need to look inward.

BTW, Jesus knew the intentions of Judas. Take that where you wish.

 

[Ziggidy]

I find it amazing how my posts are being dissected and analyzed.

Taking my words and comning up with stuff so further from the truth. Actually fun to watch. Sort of like watching people trying to interpret the bible and come up with what they think it should read, to satisfy their own objectives.

 

[BugI02]

I think that’s for the best. INGO should be a safe space for Trump’s most ardent supporters. Nothing triggering should be posted here. Posting critical points of view is literal violence against them.

Or just start an 'I Hate Trump' thread where the NTs and the ABTs can all give each other tug jobs and the rest of us don't have to listen to it

 

[BugI02]

I even got LeftyGunner to agree with it to a certain extent. How many others can say they have done the same thing?

I would have to care enough to try, which is ... unlikely

 

[BugI02]

A swing of 40 electoral votes to the other side on the 2016 map loses it for Republicans. Today, there are 36 EV that Trump got in 2016, that he is no-way-in-hell getting in 2024 (PA and MI), because of ballot harvesting being made permanent there.

I'm waiting for you to tell me what other likely republican 2024 candidate can get that done if Trump can't

Or have you just given up hope

 

[KG1]

Or just start an 'I Hate Trump' thread where the NTs and the ABTs can all give each other tug jobs and the rest of us don't have to listen to it

Yeah you don't want any interlopers crashing your "tug jobs" here.

 

[BugI02]

Not from the information I have found. Do you have information that proves he does?

Of course he doesn't. NTs and ABTs don't need no stinking proof

Supposition and innuendo will always suffice

 

[BugI02]

But. For her age. She’s kinda hot. I think it’s okay to say both in certain company.

As I've mentioned before, your 'hotness' meter seems excessively ... sensitive ... and desperately in need of calibration

 

[BugI02]

Better watch out. Bug might try to pick a fight with you because he is unable to separate the two. If you even remotely say a hint about her looks means that you automatically agree with her past policies and give her a pass.

I'm sure he'll probably try to start something again when he reads these posts.

'Methinks he doth protest too much' about how he never considered giving her a pass just because of her frumpy, 40s-ish 'hotness'

Some people should get out more

 

[BugI02]

Is that what you think you are doing?

”Mean Tweets” is a Trumpist talking point, literally no one on the left cares about Trump’s tweets anymore.

The best way to avoid sour grapes is to support winners, so I understand why you are upset with the more grounded voices on this forum.

Indeed, Biden is certainly a 'winner' in the proud tradition of Castro, Ortega, Maduro and Putin

 

[jamil]

As I've mentioned before, your 'hotness' meter seems excessively ... sensitive ... and desperately in need of calibration

She’s what. 40 something? If I compare her to a 25 year old super model, 9.9, there’s no comparison. But for her age.

 

[BugI02]

The reality is, I strongly suspect she's just looking for a side where she can stay relevant politically. She can't stay relevant in the Democrat party because she's burnt all the bridges. She pulled down the chosen one's, Kamala's pants in a live debate. The Democrat machine can't forgive her for that. So she has to go where she can be accepted. What better place than Tucker Carlson.

And she's kinda hot for her age. So...

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Google image search says that is Padma Lakshmi

Which I guess says everything that needs to be said about TG's 'hotness