Trump 2024 — The second term

[jamil]

 

[KG1]

I can see it. If Trump cares more about himself than he cares about the principles he claims, yeah, if he thinks bringing in Haley will get him back in the Whitehouse, I think that would be something within his range of behavior.

Well that's pretty much what caused him to get in bed with Pence in 2016. He needed to use Pence to draw in evangelicals to help him get into the WH. Maybe getting in bed with Pence might be a bad choice of words but it makes for an amusing visual.

So obviously there would be some sort of reason to form an unholy alliance (figure of speech) that flies in the face of AF principles and get in bed with jebly because he thinks she can help him get there.

I'm curious to hearing stalwart Trump supporters take on trying to rationalize the betrayal of AF principles with specific reasons for doing so IF (and I stress IF) she is the pick.

I guess an argument that they could possibly try to make (IF she is the pick) is that throughout history there has been some unholy alliances formed to achieve an objective. In this case the objective is getting back in the WH. IMO that might be their rationalization for overlooking it. The thing is that some of those alliances have come back to bite in the ass.

Now I’ve also heard it said by @HKFaninCarmel that it would be a smart move by Trump in order to try and draw in some that are not exactly Trump enthusiasts.

Like I said though it’s only fair to say that this is all speculative talk at this stage, based on an X tweet from a not so well known source that might have a motive , it may never happen and it's something that we'll have to wait and see to believe.

 

[KG1]

Hmmm.. Could this poll be an indicator of why Trump just might pick jebly to join the ticket to possibly help draw in those who support her but are not so keen on Trump? It might just be leverage for jebly to work her way into the VP slot.

I mean what other possible reason would Trump have for picking her over an AF running mate, IF indeed he does but to try and tap into voters other than the AF base that he already has in his back pocket.

This is the same reason that I mentioned in my previous post in which @HKFaninCarmel was calling it a smart move in a prior discussion.

Poll: Nearly half of Nikki Haley’s Iowa backers say they’d vote for Biden over Trump

The Iowa poll finds most likely GOP caucusgoers would vote for Trump in the 2024 general election — but not Haley’s supporters.

www.nbcnews.com

DES MOINES, Iowa — Most likely Republican Iowa caucusgoers say they’ll vote for former President Donald Trump in the general election if he’s the GOP nominee, regardless of the candidate they’re supporting on caucus night.

That is, except supporters of former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, with nearly half of them — 43% — saying they’d vote for Democratic President Joe Biden over Trump.

These new findings from the latest NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of Iowa further illustrate the degree to which Haley is bringing in support from independents, Democrats and Republicans who have been uneasy with Trump’s takeover of the GOP. Fully half of her Iowa caucus supporters are independents or crossover Democrats, according to the survey results.

 

[KLB]

Hmmm.. Could this poll be an indicator of why Trump just might pick jebly to join the ticket to possibly help draw in those who support her but are not so keen on Trump? It might just be leverage for jebly to work her way into the VP slot. I mean what other possible reason would Trump have for picking her over an AF running mate IF indeed he does.

This is the same reason that I mentioned in my previous post in which @HKFaninCarmel was calling it a smart move in a prior discussion.

Poll: Nearly half of Nikki Haley’s Iowa backers say they’d vote for Biden over Trump

The Iowa poll finds most likely GOP caucusgoers would vote for Trump in the 2024 general election — but not Haley’s supporters.

www.nbcnews.com

DES MOINES, Iowa — Most likely Republican Iowa caucusgoers say they’ll vote for former President Donald Trump in the general election if he’s the GOP nominee, regardless of the candidate they’re supporting on caucus night.

That is, except supporters of former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, with nearly half of them — 43% — saying they’d vote for Democratic President Joe Biden over Trump.

These new findings from the latest NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of Iowa further illustrate the degree to which Haley is bringing in support from independents, Democrats and Republicans who have been uneasy with Trump’s takeover of the GOP. Fully half of her Iowa caucus supporters are independents or crossover Democrats, according to the survey results.

So Dems are crossing over to try to stop Trump. Those people will not vote for Trump or Haley in the general. Tis quote spells it out pretty well.

Yet while Haley’s first-choice support has ticked up, just 9% of her supporters say they’re extremely enthusiastic about her candidacy — substantially lower than the enthusiasm for Trump and even DeSantis.

Without the Dems, she probably isn't even getting talked about there.

 

[KG1]

So Dems are crossing over to try to stop Trump. Those people will not vote for Trump or Haley in the general. Tis quote spells it out pretty well.

Without the Dems, she probably isn't even getting talked about there.

Well you have a point that some Democrats are only crossing over to jebly in order to stop Trump but I still can't rationalize why Trump would pick jebly, IF indeed he does other than to try and draw in voters besides the AF base he already has in his back pocket. He's gonna need more than just that somehow.

 

[KLB]

Well you have a point that some Democrats are only crossing over to jebly in order to stop Trump but I still can't rationalize why Trump would pick jebly, IF indeed he does other than to try and draw in voters besides the AF base he already has in his back pocket. He's gonna need more than just that somehow.

She would be a horrible choice. I've always wondered who votes for a Presidential candidate based upon who their VP choice is. I just don't see why someone would do that.

 

[KG1]

Well this all becomes moot if he doesn't pick her which remains to be seen. I still don't believe he will until I actually see it happen.

 

[jamil]

Well that's pretty much what caused him to get in bed with Pence in 2016. He needed to use Pence to draw in evangelicals [neocons] to help him get into the WH. Maybe getting in bed with Pence might be a bad choice of words but it makes for an amusing visual.

FIFY. Well, kinda. There's a big Venn diagram overlap with evangelicals, neocons, and chamber-o-commerce type conservatives. What transpired, most of the evangelicals outside of the neocon ring became supporters in my estimation. Evangelicals are now one of the biggest groups among his supporters.

Neocons/chamber-o-commerce types did not support Trump. And I think Trump picking Pence gave them a reason to vote for that ticket.

So obviously there would be some sort of reason to form an unholy alliance (figure of speech) that flies in the face of AF principles and get in bed with jebly because he thinks she can help him get there.

The danger in getting into bed with someone like Nikki Haley, what if Neocon disease is contagious? He could get an STD.

No, seriously, the danger in picking her as VP, she already has a sort of popularity. Trump would be giving her a huge boost for running in 2028. Too dangerous to take a chance. Better to embarrass her now, crush her now, and hopefully there won't be enough support for her to run for Mayor of nowheresville. Chamber-o-commerce/neocon grifting needs to die politically. As much as wokeness needs to die as an idea.

I'm curious to hearing stalwart Trump supporters take on trying to rationalize the betrayal of AF principles with specific reasons for doing so IF (and I stress IF) she is the pick.

Well. The usual thing is to make excuses, concoct many positives, and deny all the negatives, so I guess we'll see if it's true.

I guess an argument that they could possibly try to make (IF she is the pick) is that throughout history there has been some unholy alliances formed to achieve an objective. In this case the objective is getting back in the WH. IMO that might be their rationalization for overlooking it. The thing is that some of those alliances have come back to bite in the ass.

I don't think it'll be overlooking it. If past conversations are any indicators, they'll make it into a good thing. Some good ole fashioned 4D chess move.

Now I’ve also heard it said by @HKFaninCarmel that it would be a smart move by Trump in order to try and draw in some that are not exactly Trump enthusiasts.

And if the claim is true, it's going to be interesting to watch ardent Trumpers change their tune and start pushing the same points as HKFC.

Like I said though it’s only fair to say that this is all speculative talk at this stage, based on an X tweet from a not so well known source that might have a motive , it may never happen and it's something that we'll have to wait and see to believe.

I suspect that when the rumors came out about Trump making a deal with Haley, it might have been true. Those rumors were swirling about all over conservative media. No way did Trump not hear it until just before Trump denied the rumors. Why did the rumor live for several days if it wasn't true? Why wouldn't he quash it right away? It may be that Trump only denied it when he saw the big backlash. Or maybe he was waiting for the results of the focus group.

Anyway that's why I suspect Trump won't be picking Haley. It's very possible it was the plan at some point. But the backlash from AF voters is an indicator that Trump could lose some support if he picked Haley. And that could neutralize whatever neocon support he got for it.

 

[jamil]

Well this all becomes moot if he doesn't pick her which remains to be seen. I still don't believe he will until I actually see it happen.

Like I said. I doubt it. But Trump often defies the writing on the wall.

 

[jamil]

Hmmm.. Could this poll be an indicator of why Trump just might pick jebly to join the ticket to possibly help draw in those who support her but are not so keen on Trump? It might just be leverage for jebly to work her way into the VP slot.

I mean what other possible reason would Trump have for picking her over an AF running mate, IF indeed he does but to try and tap into voters other than the AF base that he already has in his back pocket.

This is the same reason that I mentioned in my previous post in which @HKFaninCarmel was calling it a smart move in a prior discussion.

Poll: Nearly half of Nikki Haley’s Iowa backers say they’d vote for Biden over Trump

The Iowa poll finds most likely GOP caucusgoers would vote for Trump in the 2024 general election — but not Haley’s supporters.

www.nbcnews.com

DES MOINES, Iowa — Most likely Republican Iowa caucusgoers say they’ll vote for former President Donald Trump in the general election if he’s the GOP nominee, regardless of the candidate they’re supporting on caucus night.

That is, except supporters of former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, with nearly half of them — 43% — saying they’d vote for Democratic President Joe Biden over Trump.

These new findings from the latest NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of Iowa further illustrate the degree to which Haley is bringing in support from independents, Democrats and Republicans who have been uneasy with Trump’s takeover of the GOP. Fully half of her Iowa caucus supporters are independents or crossover Democrats, according to the survey results.

Not only does Nikky Haley encompass every evil trait of neocons, she's a damn fool as well. She boasted about having all the big money backers, not realizing they're putting their money into her campaign to have her win the nomination, so Trump won't. And then they'll drop her like a used--well...you know--in the general election, they turn against her, and put all their cash behind Democrats.

 

[KG1]

Not only does Nikky Haley encompass every evil trait of neocons, she's a damn fool as well. She boasted about having all the big money backers, not realizing they're putting their money into her campaign to have her win the nomination, so Trump won't. And then they'll drop her like a used--well...you know--in the general election, they turn against her, and put all their cash behind Democrats.

It's just another reason why it wouldn't benefit Trump in choosing her. We'll see.

 

[jamil]

It's just another reason why it wouldn't benefit Trump in choosing her. We'll see.

Actually, if that's the play, to boost Haley then dump her when she wins the nomination, it would thwart that plan for Trump to pick Haley now. Blackrock would have sunk their dough into her for nothing. She's off the board at that point.

So with DeSantis and Ramaswamy the only ones in play, the nomination is sown for Trump, plus He'd be able to use the neocon **** to attract HKFC's vote. I don't think DeSantis drops out with Haley off the board right away. I think he would hope many of her supporters would go to him. But he'd drop out probably after super Tuesday.

I don't see a reason other than messaging for Ramaswamy to stay in it when Haley is off the board.

 

[KG1]

Noem says it would be mistake for Trump to pick Haley as running mate

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R) said former President Trump should not pick fellow GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley as his running mate. Noem was asked by Newsmax’s Eric Bolling if it would…

thehill.com

South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem (R) said former President Trump should not pick fellow GOP presidential candidate Nikki Haley as his running mate.

Noem was asked by Newsmax’s Eric Bolling if it would be a mistake if Trump chose Haley to be his vice presidential pick. She replied “yes,” without hesitation.

“But if he picked her, I would tell him I disagreed with him. But then I would support the ticket, because he’s still the president and the president still makes the decisions,” Noem said Tuesday.

Noem has previously said she would be Trump’s running mate “in a heartbeat.” You can tell she really wants the job.

She then went on to say.

“And you know, I just, I’ve had a lot of disagreement with Nikki Haley over the years, and I just don’t know which Nikki Haley is going to show up every day,”

“She’s a different person depending on whatever works for her political agenda.”

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

Hmmm.. Could this poll be an indicator of why Trump just might pick jebly to join the ticket to possibly help draw in those who support her but are not so keen on Trump? It might just be leverage for jebly to work her way into the VP slot.

I mean what other possible reason would Trump have for picking her over an AF running mate, IF indeed he does but to try and tap into voters other than the AF base that he already has in his back pocket.

This is the same reason that I mentioned in my previous post in which @HKFaninCarmel was calling it a smart move in a prior discussion.

Poll: Nearly half of Nikki Haley’s Iowa backers say they’d vote for Biden over Trump

The Iowa poll finds most likely GOP caucusgoers would vote for Trump in the 2024 general election — but not Haley’s supporters.

www.nbcnews.com

DES MOINES, Iowa — Most likely Republican Iowa caucusgoers say they’ll vote for former President Donald Trump in the general election if he’s the GOP nominee, regardless of the candidate they’re supporting on caucus night.

That is, except supporters of former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley, with nearly half of them — 43% — saying they’d vote for Democratic President Joe Biden over Trump.

These new findings from the latest NBC News/Des Moines Register/Mediacom poll of Iowa further illustrate the degree to which Haley is bringing in support from independents, Democrats and Republicans who have been uneasy with Trump’s takeover of the GOP. Fully half of her Iowa caucus supporters are independents or crossover Democrats, according to the survey results.

Uniting the party and expanding appeal, while dreaded by some on here, is generally considered to be the smart move.

While it’s hard to get the no compromise-purist-curmudgeon corner of the party to come out for a “Chamber of Commerce” nominee, it’s really hard to win if the middle of the road voters aren’t comfortable with the person on the top of the ticket.

This is why Haley should* be able to win in a landslide and Trump will have a very difficult course to navigate.

 

[Ingomike]

Uniting the party and expanding appeal, while dreaded by some on here, is generally considered to be the smart move.

While it’s hard to get the no compromise-purist-curmudgeon corner of the party to come out for a “Chamber of Commerce” nominee, it’s really hard to win if the middle of the road voters aren’t comfortable with the person on the top of the ticket.

This is why Haley should* be able to win in a landslide and Trump will have a very difficult course to navigate.

“For wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat, because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

 

[jamil]

Uniting the party and expanding appeal, while dreaded by some on here, is generally considered to be the smart move.

Unity means there needs to be common ground. What common ground is there between the neocon and America-first factions? Beating Democrats? Neocons might as well BE democrats.

While it’s hard to get the no compromise-purist-curmudgeon corner of the party to come out for a “Chamber of Commerce” nominee, it’s really hard to win if the middle of the road voters aren’t comfortable with the person on the top of the ticket.

Purist? Are you ****ing kidding me? I have to vote for DJT (ETA: the porn star ****er) to get someone who will put America first in any context. That's far from pure.

This is why Haley should* be able to win in a landslide and Trump will have a very difficult course to navigate.

Haley is not going to win in any landslide. That idea is pure delusion.

 

[Pepi]

Trump doesn't do drugs or drinks so Hunter is out

 

[Ingomike]

Battle-Tested Trump Brings New And Improved Ground Game To Iowa

The Trump ground game in Iowa is significantly improved, more nimble, and much better organized than during his first presidential run.

thefederalist.com

 

[HKFaninCarmel]

Unity means there needs to be common ground. What common ground is there between the neocon and America-first factions? Beating Democrats? Neocons might as well BE democrats.


Purist? Are you ****ing kidding me? I have to vote for DJT (ETA: the porn star ****er) to get someone who will put America first in any context. That's far from pure.



Haley is not going to win in any landslide. That idea is pure delusion.

What common ground is there between people who think Trump went on a damaging campaign of lies and court cases to steal an election then behaved wildly inappropriately and those who adore his every Truth social moment?

If Haley can not get in Haley’s own way with stupid comments on social media accounts and the Civil War, she’ll offer the least treacherous path to victory.

With Haley, you get a side by side of an old geezer who has failed and a younger woman who can appeal to the middle. If winning is your only priority, she is perfect.

 

[Ingomike]

What common ground is there between people who think Trump went on a damaging campaign of lies and court cases to steal an election then behaved wildly inappropriately and those who adore his every Truth social moment?

Probably a lot, the difference is those who support Trump know what time it is and the others are in ignorant bliss of normalcy bias…