The Republican Primary Race Is Filling Up

[Tombs]

In U-turn, Trump says he expects to raise taxes on rich

Did you read it? Part of his campaign promise was to close loopholes in the tax system that so many people exploit. Closing those loopholes results in more net taxes from the rich.

How is this even news?

 

[CountryBoy1981]

Did you read it? Part of his campaign promise was to close loopholes in the tax system that so many people exploit. Closing those loopholes results in more net taxes from the rich.

How is this even news?

And this is why I said Trump voters are 2008 Obama voters. Show them the facts in black and white and they deny it.

 

[bwframe]

I am voting for whoever is the best choice to beat Hillary.
If it's Johnson in November, then he gets my vote. But I can't see how voting for the 4% will defeat the Democrats.

I'm just being realistic here. I would rather sit on my pride than sit on my hands and be defeated.

A few on here seem to think that keeping the Second Amendment and Supreme Court in our favor are worthwhile sacrifices so they can "be right," say "I told you so," and feel good about their vote.

Votes are just numbers, people. They are not personal. Once you cast them they are gone. Your's counts the exact same as the looters who want to take your guns, rights and money.

 

[Tombs]

And this is why I said Trump voters are 2008 Obama voters. Show them the facts in black and white and they deny it.

What am I denying? It came from his own mouth, just a lot of ignorant people weren't paying attention.

A few on here seem to think that keeping the Second Amendment and Supreme Court in our favor are worthwhile sacrifices so they can "be right," say "I told you so," and feel good about their vote.

Votes are just numbers, people. They are not personal. Once you cast them they are gone. Your's counts the exact same as the looters who want to take your guns, rights and money.

I can't tell what frame of mind this post is made in but I will remind you...

Votes are simple mathematics. You can sit at home or throw them away and deny yourself a voice, or you can add onto an actual effort to stop a far worse fate. Turning a vote into something that deeply philosophical is pretentious.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

The Data Shows Disaster | The Resurgent

"Trump’s voters have decided to put blindfolds on and blame the walls they run in to."

 

[jamil]

What am I denying? It came from his own mouth, just a lot of ignorant people weren't paying attention.



I can't tell what frame of mind this post is made in but I will remind you...

Votes are simple mathematics. You can sit at home or throw them away and deny yourself a voice, or you can add onto an actual effort to stop a far worse fate. Turning a vote into something that deeply philosophical is pretentious.

I'll say it this way. Most people don't click the link in the email from the rich prince promising riches if you send money to help him out of a jam. It's an obvious con. Most people don't buy the magical healing elixir from the snake oil salesman. That's an obvious con too. But to the con man it's worth doing because the few people who fall for it are enough to make it pay off. Most people can see Trump's con. But enough of you fell for it that Trump is now the presumptive GOP nominee. Because of your fierce loyalty you've forced a choice between the snake oil salesman and, either a socialist or a criminal--most likely the criminal.

I think about it a little more pragmatically, and I judge Trump to be less, ever so slightly less evil than Hillary. So unless Trump convinces me that he will remove the last remaining hope I have for a reasonable SCOTUS pick, I'll check the box in November for Trump. But I stand firmly behind people's right to vote their conscience. I said the same thing to INGO back in 2012 as I held my nose and voted for Romney. People have the right to vote "none of the above".

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Georgia WH'16 poll (Landmark/Rosetta Stone): Trump 42, Clinton 41. State hasn't been competitive since '96

WSB-TV poll: Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton in a statistical tie in Georgia | Political Insider blog

 

[BugI02]

Acted? Ii appeared he was serious. We'll never know if he would have instigated a #NeverCruz campaign...


But the pledge stuff seemed pretty lame at the time. As it does now.

They gave importance to the pledge because Trump actually winning the nomination was inconceivable to the GOPe and their biggest worry was Trump going third party and siphoning off potential GOP voters. Now that the shoe is on the other foot, what they wish to do must be rationalized and given legitimacy. After all, they know better than you what you should want

 

[BugI02]

Heh, found on twitter

Hmm. Remind me again which 2016 presidential candidate has the most followers on twitter?

 

[jamil]

Hmm. Remind me again which 2016 presidential candidate has the most followers on twitter?

The point. Is there one?

 

[BugI02]

Questioning any cite of twitter as being a source of information any better than an internet comment section

 

[MisterChester]

Georgia WH'16 poll (Landmark/Rosetta Stone): Trump 42, Clinton 41. State hasn't been competitive since '96

WSB-TV poll: Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton in a statistical tie in Georgia | Political Insider blog

Georgia has been looked at as a future battleground state since 2008. Shifting demographics would ensure that regardless of who was running.

 

[chipbennett]

Georgia WH'16 poll (Landmark/Rosetta Stone): Trump 42, Clinton 41. State hasn't been competitive since '96

WSB-TV poll: Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton in a statistical tie in Georgia | Political Insider blog

Would that be the same Georgia where Trump, in a five-way race, got almost as many votes (501K) as Clinton did (543K) in a two-way race?

Would that be the same Georgia where Republican turnout (1.3MM) was up 38% over 2008 (964K), and where Democrat turnout (765K) was down 30% from 2008 (1.1MM)?

That Georgia?

 

[chipbennett]

Bobby Jindal: I'm voting for Trump, warts and all:

I?m Voting Trump, Warts and All - WSJ

I was one of the earliest and loudest critics of Mr. Trump. I mocked his appearance, demeanor, ideology and ego in the strongest language I have ever used to publicly criticize anyone in politics. I worked harder than most, with little apparent effect, to stop his ascendancy. I have not experienced a sudden epiphany and am not here to detail an evolution in my perspective...


I think electing Donald Trump would be the second-worst thing we could do this November, better only than electing Hillary Clinton to serve as the third term for the Obama administration’s radical policies. I am not pretending that Mr. Trump has suddenly become a conservative champion or even a reliable Republican: He is completely unpredictable. The problem is that Hillary is predictably liberal.


There will be none of her husband’s triangulation. Republicans are fooling themselves if they think this President Clinton would sign into law policies like Nafta, the crime bill, welfare reform, or the deficit reduction packages that marked Bill’s tenure. While Bill felt compelled to confront Sister Souljah—and less directly Jesse Jackson—to appeal to moderate voters, Hillary is more responsive to pressure from Black Lives Matter and the far left. I have no idea what Mr. Trump might do, while Mrs. Clinton is predictable. Both are scary, the former less so.

He is speaking fairly in-line with my own thoughts here.

 

[AA&E]

Would that be the same Georgia where Trump, in a five-way race, got almost as many votes (501K) as Clinton did (543K) in a two-way race?

Would that be the same Georgia where Republican turnout (1.3MM) was up 38% over 2008 (964K), and where Democrat turnout (765K) was down 30% from 2008 (1.1MM)?

That Georgia?

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to chipbennett again.

 

[jamil]

Yes. The Georgia with the open primary in which many people who identify as democrats voted for Trump. Do you think all those democrats voted for Trump because they want to make America great again?

 

[chipbennett]

Yes. The Georgia with the open primary in which many people who identify as democrats voted for Trump. Do you think all those democrats voted for Trump because they want to make America great again?

You have evidence that said people voted for Trump for any reason other than that they support Trump?

Is Georgia somehow different from the rest of the country, in which participation in the GOP primary has seen a sharp increase, and participation in the Democrat primary has seen a sharp decrease?

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Much of the change in party participation may well because he's more of a "traditional" democrat than the two running on the D ticket.

 

[jamil]

You have evidence that said people voted for Trump for any reason other than that they support Trump?

Is Georgia somehow different from the rest of the country, in which participation in the GOP primary has seen a sharp increase, and participation in the Democrat primary has seen a sharp decrease?

I don't have hard numbers of how many democrats voted strategically for Trump. Getting that is impractical. I do suspect that number is far from non-zero though. I know that a lot of democrats voted in GOP primaries as exit polling shows, for what that's worth. I've read that many liberals have voted for and against Trump in GOP open primaries. The liberals that say they voted for him say they did it because they believed he's the easiest to beat. The ones that voted against say they did it because they wanted to embarrass the "bigot". But I do concede that exit polling also shows that Trump does have some legitimate support among working class democrats.

Point is, I honestly don't think there are as many fiercely loyal Trump supporters as many want to believe. In states where fairly high numbers of democrats voted, you can't assume they're all supporters. As it stands now, some people are uniting around the GOP candidate and will hold their noses while voting for him. That's not fiercely loyal. That's pure pragmatism.

If polling now shows Hillary and Trump tied in Georgia, that's not good news for Trump, and if you really think Trump will make America great again, it's not really great news for America. But it's still too early for that to be direly bad news.

 

[Landon]

Remind me again, isn't the general election open voting?