The President Trump Immigration Thread

[Sylvain]

The comparable process going the other way does not seem to be as hoop-free, nor lacking jumping requirements therethrough, as you seem to be indicating, Sylvain

Do you find that your own country imposes onerous barriers to citizenship?

I was not indicating that at all.You have misunderstood me or perhaphs I wasn't clear in my earlier post.

My point was that you have to obey many rules in order to become a naturalized citizen in every country.
Saying "there are no rules to come here" is simply ridiculous.

Vigilant was under the impression that he couldn't easily move into a foreign country but that anyone could easilly move into the US.
It's clearly not true.And as you stated it's hard to move to any country legally (France and the US included).

I'm fully aware that many people have to jump thru hoops to become naturalized French citizens, same way foreigners have to do the same thing to become Americans.

I wouldn't say "there are no rules to come here" to a foreigner living in France knowing what they had to go thru to be here legally.

Naturalized citizens have to go thru way more stuff than natural born citizens, and that's true in France as well.

Some people literally had to fight and give blood to gain their new citizenship.

 

[jamil]

The comparable process going the other way does not seem to be as hoop-free, nor lacking jumping requirements therethrough, as you seem to be indicating, Sylvain

Do you find that your own country imposes onerous barriers to citizenship?

"3) Sign the Reception and Integration Contract (CAI). This is a document used by the French immigration agency (OFII) to make sure that foreign nationals arriving in France “assimilate into French society”."


Das wasiss.

 

[jamil]

I was not indicating that at all.You have misunderstood me or perhaphs I wasn't clear in my earlier post.

My point was that you have to obey many rules in order to become a naturalized citizen in every country.
Saying "there are no rules to come here" is simply ridiculous.

Vigilant was under the impression that he couldn't easily move into a foreign country but that anyone could easilly move into the US.
It's clearly not true.And as you stated it's hard to move to any country legally (France and the US included).

I'm fully aware that many people have to jump thru hoops to become naturalized French citizens, same way foreigners have to do the same thing to become Americans.

I wouldn't say "there are no rules to come here" to a foreigner living in France knowing what they had to go thru to be here legally.

Naturalized citizens have to go thru way more stuff than natural born citizens, and that's true in France as well.

Some people literally had to fight and give blood to gain their new citizenship.

I think the major point is still that many European countries have rules that are considered by the left, racist or nationalist to implement here. For example, you're a horrible Nazi if you think that new citizens need to assimilate, yet it is expected in France, a presumed more progressive nation than the US.

 

[Sylvain]

I think the major point is still that many European countries have rules that are considered by the left, racist or nationalist to implement here. For example, you're a horrible Nazi if you think that new citizens need to assimilate, yet it is expected in France, a presumed more progressive nation than the US.

Some rules you have in the US are considered racist and illegal over here, that's just a cultural thing.
The problem is that not everybody has the same definition "assimilation".
To some nationalists it means a new immigrant has to fully adopt the culture and language of his new country while getting rid of all traditions from their country of origin (culture, language, religion etc).
To others it means a newcomer has to adopt the language and culture of the host country while retaining the culture of their original country.

But assimilation is expected in the US as well, it's why you have interviews and a civic test in English (can't show up with a translator) and they ask you cultural and political questions to make sure you know your new country.
Those rules are in place in the US and I'm not sure if they are judged nationalist by the left.
Newcomers in the US also have to go thru a civic test and prove they know enough about America to assimilate properly.

Is asking questions about the flag judged to be nationalist by the some people? Idk.

 

[KLB]

Some rules you have in the US are considered racist and illegal over here, that's just a cultural thing.
The problem is that not everybody has the same definition "assimilation".
To some nationalists it means a new immigrant has to fully adopt the culture and language of his new country while getting rid of all traditions from their country of origin (culture, language, religion etc).
To others it means a newcomer has to adopt the language and culture of the host country while retaining the culture of their original country.

But assimilation is expected in the US as well, it's why you have interviews and a civic test in English (can't show up with a translator) and they ask you cultural and political questions to make sure you know your new country.
Those rules are in place in the US and I'm not sure if they are judged nationalist by the left.
Newcomers in the US also have to go thru a civic test and prove they know enough about America to assimilate properly.

Is asking questions about the flag judged to be nationalist by the some people? Idk.

I'd like to see how many people born and raised here could answer those questions.

 

[jamil]

I'd like to see how many people born and raised here could answer those questions.

Anymore, I'm not so sure that many schools even teach all those by the time students graduate high school.

 

[actaeon277]

Anymore, I'm not so sure that many schools even teach all those by the time students graduate high school.

No. Sadly, how the government is "supposed" to work is kinda glossed over anymore.

 

[Liberty1916]

I'd like to see how many people born and raised here could answer those questions.

Ooh. ooh, I know the answers.

1. Oppression of minorities
2. White supremacy
3. Nazi Germany, the same country we fight in every war and are fighting to this day
4. Barack Obama
5. Two, the President and the Media
6. A Ruling
7. To enslave people of color
8. The racist patriarchy
9. The SS Minnow
10. Capitalist slave trading Nazi white supremacist environment destroying purveyors of hate and oppression.

 

[Sylvain]

I'd like to see how many people born and raised here could answer those questions.

You can take the test online.I think there are like 100 questions.

 

[KLB]

You can take the test online.I think there are like 100 questions.

I looked it up. Thanks

Here is the practice test for anyone interested.
https://my.uscis.gov/en/prep/test/civics

 

[Sylvain]

I looked it up. Thanks

Here is the practice test for anyone interested.
https://my.uscis.gov/en/prep/test/civics

I think one question is "What is the most important amendment to the US constitution?" and the expected answer is not "the second".
That's a bit biased and a matter of opinion.

 

[KLB]

I think one question is "What is the most important amendment to the US constitution?" and the expected answer is not "the second".
That's a bit biased and a matter of opinion.

I took the quiz twice and did not see that question. It is definitely a biased question though. They are equally important.

 

[Alpo]

I always thought the 21st Amendment was the most important.

 

[Sylvain]

I took the quiz twice and did not see that question. It is definitely a biased question though. They are equally important.

Some questions can have multiple good answers but they provide you with a few good answers.

Although USCIS is aware that there may beadditional correct answers to the 100 civicsquestions, applicants are encouraged to respondto the civics questions using the answers providedbelow.

I can't find that question anymore in the current questions.

That's the 100 questions with the expected answers.

https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default... Center Site/Publications/100q_largeprint.pdf

 

[Liberty1916]

I think one question is "What is the most important amendment to the US constitution?" and the expected answer is not "the second".
That's a bit biased and a matter of opinion.

The answer they're looking for is Roe v. Wade.

 

[OakRiver]

I'd like to see how many people born and raised here could answer those questions.

While I was preparing for my citizenship test and interview we asked some people in work the questions, and a lot of natural born citizens struggled.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Ralph Goodale says some migrants are obtaining U.S. travel visas for the sole purpose of coming to Canada
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/border-migrants-terror-fighters-1.4366633

But i thought the Canadian Prime Minister was "welcoming" all around the time of Trump's inauguration... or was that just virtue signaling?

 

[indiucky]

 

[bwframe]

[video=youtube;m8AneswPjUE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8AneswPjUE[/video]

 

[SheepDog4Life]

CBSNews: First "Dreamer" known deported under Trump arrested re-entering U.S. again, authorities say:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/first-dreamer-known-deported-under-trump-juan-montes-arrested-re-entering-us-again-authorities-say/