The Open Carry Argument

[JettaKnight]

"Billy bad asses" (definition by Kut): drop leg OC'ers, Tapout/affliction t-shirt wearers, barbed wire arm tattoo, stop light engine revving Honda, 5 inch 300lb squatters, etc, etc....

There are douchers in every community. Just because they are in your community doesn't mean you have to stick up for them.

I went the exact opposite direction - wool pants, cuff links and tie with a Bianchi leather holster.


Everyone probably thinks I'm a detective.

 

[2A_Tom]

Wool looks nice but I cannot wear it.

 

[protias]

Meh, don't really care about OC/CC. Though I think CC is the better way to carry. I understand for "certain" people (lol) CC isn't really option, but I just like having one more element of surprise if I should ever encounter a problem. I think OC'ers get a bad rap from the bill bad asses, OC'ing because they think it makes them look cool.

Element of surprise is an offensive situation, not defensive.

 

[JettaKnight]

Wool looks nice but I cannot wear it.

Only washing machine friendly clothes for you?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Wool looks nice but I cannot wear it.

Too Itchy, heavy, or hot?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Only washing machine friendly clothes for you?

Polyester blend?

 

[JettaKnight]

Too Itchy, heavy, or hot?

Decent flannel wool pants need be none of those.

Polyester blend?

 

[2A_Tom]

Mostly cotton blend.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Mostly cotton blend.

You know you wore plenty of polyester back when you were disco-ing it up in the 70 and 80s.

 

[2A_Tom]

LOL. I had a friend talk me into going to a disco to pick up girls once. It lasted all of 5 minutes, I had to get out of there.

I did however once own a Kiana shirt once. And when I was a toddler I liked slips.

 

[KLB]

Polyester blend?

It is marketed as microfiber now

 

[rhino]

LOL. I had a friend talk me into going to a disco to pick up girls once. It lasted all of 5 minutes, I had to get out of there.

I did however once own a Kiana shirt once. And when I was a toddler I liked slips.

Some guys got me to go to a "hot club" in San Jose with them back in 1989 or so (I was about 24 at the time). Other than a small pack of cougars (or what would come to be known as cougars today) eyeing me, it was not a successful venture. The mid 20s version of me was ignorant of the inherent value of cougars to society. Pride and hope can cause one to miss opportunities!

 

[protias]

What's the recent talk have to talk about the thread title? :confused:

 

[KellyinAvon]

What's the recent talk have to talk about the threat title? :confused:

Talk to text?

 

[EPeter213]

What's the recent talk have to talk about the thread title? :confused:

Yeah, I noticed some drift a couple days ago. I'm a big fan of 'discreet' carry myself. It's very hard to quantify things like deterrent factor of OC and whether or not OC makes you a target. There's just no reliable data.

Your daily carry should be comfortable, or you won't carry - and accessible, or it won't do you any good.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Yeah, I noticed some drift a couple days ago. I'm a big fan of 'discreet' carry myself. It's very hard to quantify things like deterrent factor of OC and whether or not OC makes you a target. There's just no reliable data.

Your daily carry should be comfortable, or you won't carry - and accessible, or it won't do you any good.

I'm with you, we often see guys that CC stop crimes in progress, because the bad guys doesn't recognize them as a potential threat. I can not recall a guy OC doing the same. But then again, there's an argument to be made that the visibility of the weapon by an OC'er dissuaded the criminal act to begin with.

 

[KLB]

I'm with you, we often see guys that CC stop crimes in progress, because the bad guys doesn't recognize them as a potential threat. I can not recall a guy OC doing the same. But then again, there's an argument to be made that the visibility of the weapon by an OC'er dissuaded the criminal act to begin with.

These days people seem to see anything on a belt as a phone. It still amazes me how few people realize I have a gun on my hip when I am out.

 

[actaeon277]

These days people seem to see anything on a belt as a phone. It still amazes me how few people realize I have a gun on my hip when I am out.

yup.
I actually had a lady at the American Legion grab the holster loop, and say "what's this?".
So, this guy with a gravely voice said, "you're playing with his gun".
Took her a second to understand.
(During fundraisers I CC instead of OC).

 

[chipbennett]

Yeah, I noticed some drift a couple days ago. I'm a big fan of 'discreet' carry myself. It's very hard to quantify things like deterrent factor of OC and whether or not OC makes you a target. There's just no reliable data.

Reliable data? Probably not. But, there certainly are anecdotal evidence that criminals are deterred by CC; and there are empirical data that criminals fear armed victims - even more than they fear the police.

Your daily carry should be comfortable, or you won't carry - and accessible, or it won't do you any good.

Yes: just carry. Carry however you're most comfortable carrying.

I'm with you, we often see guys that CC stop crimes in progress, because the bad guys doesn't recognize them as a potential threat. I can not recall a guy OC doing the same. But then again, there's an argument to be made that the visibility of the weapon by an OC'er dissuaded the criminal act to begin with.

So, I would ask: why do think that is?

Either OCers are present/targeted for such crimes as often as OCers, or less often than OCers. Would it make sense that OCers are present/targeted as often, and yet use their firearms in self-defense to stop said crimes less often than CCers? Or would it make more sense that OCers are present/targeted less often than CCers?

The latter makes more sense to me, and there are at least two causes: one, that OCers simply exist in far fewer numbers; and two, that OC is a deterrent, and therefore OCers do not find themselves having to stop a crime that is never attempted in the first place.

 

[chipbennett]

yup.
I actually had a lady at the American Legion grab the holster loop, and say "what's this?".
So, this guy with a gravely voice said, "you're playing with his gun".
Took her a second to understand.
(During fundraisers I CC instead of OC).

The bigger question there is: why do people think that it is acceptable to approach a random stranger and start yanking at things on that stranger's belt - whether it's a gun, or a phone, or a pager (do those even still exist?), or whatever?