The Nuclear Iran Situation

[NKBJ]

Hey Ark.
I'm sitting way back and pondering the petro$ agreement made with the Saudis half a century ago. It's been the operative foundation of our involvement and of the cooperation between us, the Israelis and the Saudis. It appears to me that after decades of pushing for it the Israelis want the US to finally wail the tar out of Iran. I might even be tempted to add "while we still can". To all appearances perhaps their agents of influence include the president's daughter and her husband. Not to mention the multitude of war lovers and zionists orbiting about the oval office. Anybody could argue the good or bad points of the arrangement but the existing conditions, the outcome this is intended to lead us to and the players trying to modify it are what I've been entertaining myself with. It sure is a humdinger of a show. Like they used to yell in the stands at the Cotton Bowl when Tom Landry was pacing the side line in that stingy brimmed hat, "You can't tell the players without your program!"

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Who is to say that mines and rockets/missiles can't be used together, perhaps to fuel the very confusion we are seeing?

True... a possibility... and IMO a likelihood... one of the mines was a dude so they fired a missile because 3 hours after the first explosion (a mine), the ship was still maneuvering. It was only the second attack that the crew reported seeing a flying object.

After the first, "our crew members made evasive manoeuvres but three hours later it was hit again," he said Thursday.

On Friday he said he did not yet have information about the nature of the first attack on the tanker.

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/cre...ore-attack-company-head-yutaka-katada-2053124

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Iran will not wage war against any nation: Iranian president

 

[BugI02]

So, does he consider Israel a 'nation'?

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Iran will not wage war against any nation: Iranian president

And, they made a big deal out of Ukraine having a comedian for President, lol!

 

[Birds Away]

They've learned what a good time proxy wars can be.

 

[Route 45]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-na...-iranian-missile-over-strait-of-hormuz-source

 

[Principal Skinr]

https://www.foxnews.com/world/us-na...-iranian-missile-over-strait-of-hormuz-source

Well, that's a pretty serious escalation. I'd recommend an operation to take down an Iranian figher jet...yes, manned, to make their forces a little nervous about engaging the US or even coming near. Then again, maybe the more appropriate response would be an attack on their missile batteries near the strait. Either way, they need to pay a price for that act. No response would just embolden them, which is what is where they are headed right now.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Well, that's a pretty serious escalation. I'd recommend an operation to take down an Iranian figher jet...yes, manned, to make their forces a little nervous about engaging the US or even coming near. Then again, maybe the more appropriate response would be an attack on their missile batteries near the strait. Either way, they need to pay a price for that act. No response would just embolden them, which is what is where they are headed right now.

No, we shouldn't be killing people yet, at least not intentionally. I think an appropriate response is what you said as your second option: take out a battery. Nevertheless, that's a provocation that needs to be addressed with something getting blown the **** up.

 

[Hkindiana]

No, we shouldn't be killing people yet, at least not intentionally. I think an appropriate response is what you said as your second option: take out a battery. Nevertheless, that's a provocation that needs to be addressed with something getting blown the **** up.

So, you suggest the killing of MANY people at the missile battery rather than one or two pilots? There is virtually no way that an attack on a missile battery would not cause "killing peopke".

 

[ArcadiaGP]

So, you suggest the killing of MANY people at the missile battery rather than one or two pilots? There is virtually no way that an attack on a missile battery would not cause "killing peopke".

Pretty sure we typically warn ahead of time. There won't be anyone near it if we destroy it.

And I'm sure they're expecting some form of retaliation.

I just have no clue why they're pushing so hard for war with us. I don't see it as a fight they can win, unless they benefit somehow.

 

[Kutnupe14]

So, you suggest the killing of MANY people at the missile battery rather than one or two pilots? There is virtually no way that an attack on a missile battery would not cause "killing peopke".

If pilots are engaging things outside of their territory, then sure they can catch a sidewinder up the tailpipe too, but as far as I know they haven't. The people working the battery? Well, obviously they are firing on things they shouldn't, so they have accepted the risks.

 

[T.Lex]

Pretty sure we typically warn ahead of time. There won't be anyone near it if we destroy it.

And I'm sure they're expecting some form of retaliation.

I just have no clue why they're pushing so hard for war with us. I don't see it as a fight they can win, unless they benefit somehow.

At this point, they don't think Trump will do anything. He called the tanker attacks "minor" as justification for not doing anything.

They see an opportunity to get out from under whatever pressure we've been able to apply historically.

So, they can assert a much regional domination as they want, or at least creep towards that end-state.

 

[KG1]

Could possibly be that the US is trying to build a case if the pattern continues by employing a passive response at this time.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Could possibly be that the US is trying to build a case by a passive response at this time.

Is that what you'd call it? I'd call it something else. While I'm not a warhawk, and certainly not in the Bolton camp, downing US military equipment in international airspace, should require a firm military response.

 

[T.Lex]

Could possibly be that the US is trying to build a case by a passive response at this time.

4d chess?

What case? Iran and DOD agree that Iran shot down one of our assets. Lines on water are involved, which makes it tricky, but we've done this before.

At least they won't be able to turn it into a museum like the Pueblo.

 

[KG1]

4d chess?

What case? Iran and DOD agree that Iran shot down one of our assets. Lines on water are involved, which makes it tricky, but we've done this before.

At least they won't be able to turn it into a museum like the Pueblo.

I edited my original post while while you were posting to include making a case by “establishing a pattern” to justify further action down the road.

 

[T.Lex]

I edited my original post while while you were posting to include making a case by “establishing a pattern” to justify further action down the road.

Ah, right.

To me, that goes to the scale of the response. If they want to justify strikes all along the Iranian coastline to take out these fast attack boats and SAM sites, then ok - yeah - let's show a pattern.

A measured response of taking out the SAM site responsible for downing the drone, that doesn't require a pattern. Quid pro quo.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Trump tweets that "Iran made a very big mistake!"

A meeting will be held at the White House this morning to discuss the US response, two admin officials say.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Trump tweets that "Iran made a very big mistake!"

A meeting will be held at the White House this morning to discuss the US response, two admin officials say.

Iran maybe wanting a regional conflict to erupt, counting on the United States not having the stomach to get involved.