The Ferguson thread

[THE BIG SITT]

Ignore.........

Or invite them out for a burger and a beer.......works for me......

Hey you're stupid!

So, Saturday for lunch then? You're buying right?

 

[nakinate]

I'm sure 75% of my posts are reported.

Reported!

 

[Kutnupe14]

Would make sense for the stats to show a higher % of blacks to have greater police interaction.

Yeah, of course.... 80 to 90%? Kinda suspicious. You don't think so?

 

[THE BIG SITT]

Yeah, of course.... 80 to 90%? Kinda suspicious. You don't think so?

I'm not reading through all of this right now, but the data seems to show that, in Ferguson, the majority of the crime is committed by black people. How is that suspicious?

 

[1775usmarine]

Yeah, of course.... 80 to 90%? Kinda suspicious. You don't think so?

Maybe your thinking I'm thinking something else, but say you had 10000 people of one group and 1000 of another you have a better chance at being pulled over if you belong to the bigger group. There is no racism.

 

[bwframe]

Apology not accepted and not needed.
Maybe for letting horny go on with his personal insults to members for years, that might be worthy of an apology? Hard to tell how many good members that ahole ran off?

Horny's banning was years overdue and this place will be MUCH better now that that POS is gone.

I think the place will be less rich because of his absence.

This is not a shock to anyone who follows.
Hopefully you won't develop his affinity for personal insults.

Good response for a guy caught in his bias.

 

[Bill of Rights]

Bill, I'd love to know what you do for a living because you're very well spoken

Written..... he has a ghost writer. Lol. But yeah, you're right.

Thank you, gentlemen.

No ghost writer.

I do all my own stunts.

And mbills... I'm a paramedic.

 

[HoughMade]

Back to the matter at hand.

The statistics are not evidence of racism. They just aren't.

There may be evidence of racism, that is, of actual racist attitudes underlying enforcement decisions. IF that is true, then it needs to be dealt with- harshly.

However, that does not mean Darren Wilson was wrong in his interaction with Michael Brown, nor does it mean that any specific citation, arrest or whatever, was the result of racism. Statistics may raise questions, but the do not reveal the truth of this issue. In fact, there are likely a few different truths at work in them and some we, as a society, are very ready to confront, some we want to pretend do not exist.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'm not reading through all of this right now, but the data seems to show that, in Ferguson, the majority of the crime is committed by black people. How is that suspicious?

What data? You have a link to that? They're committing 80-90% of all crime, in a city that is 67% black? That is iffy even if every black person in the city is a criminal. Do you believe that all the black people in the city are criminals?

 

[churchmouse]

I'm sure 75% of my posts are reported.

Reported........Had to man, just had to.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Back to the matter at hand.

The statistics are not evidence of racism. They just aren't.

There may be evidence of racism, that is, of actual racist attitudes underlying enforcement decisions. IF that is true, then it needs to be dealt with- harshly.

However, that does not mean Darren Wilson was wrong in his interaction with Michael Brown, nor does it mean that any specific citation, arrest or whatever was the result of racism. Statistics may raise questions, but the do not reveal the truth of this issue. In fact, there are likely a few different truths at work in them and some we, as a society, are very ready to confront, some we want to pretend do not exist.

Darren Wilson's shoot was a GOOD one. I'm certainly not saying otherwise, but the statistics certainly give one pause.

 

[churchmouse]

Hey you're stupid!

So, Saturday for lunch then? You're buying right?

This is gonna cost me......a lot.....

 

[nakinate]

Reported!

Reported........Had to man, just had to.

Beat ya to it!

 

[churchmouse]

Beat ya to it!

Saw that........

 

[Rookie]

Thank you, Rookie. I did ask, and I appreciate your answer. As VUPDBlue said, we try, very hard, to remain impartial. Most of the time, we do. I've gone off on people... he has, we all have our limits. I can say I've never banned someone for an attack on me, personally. I can't say I haven't asked others to look it over and make a decision. In short, and this answers your other question, what can you, as a member, do when someone attacks you? The same as you would do in real life, face to face. Use the tools at your disposal as you see fit.

1. You can PM the person and talk it out. (I personally recommend giving it a short time period to cool off before doing so, but that's your choice to do or not)
2. You can report the post.
3. You can PM another mod, if it's a staff member. (I don't recommend that because none of us can do anything about it.)
4. You can PM Fenway (or report the post to admin@ingunowners.com... same thing)
5. You can leave the site.
6. or... you can "suck it up" and move on. I don't want that taken wrong... I don't mean that you just have to deal with it, I mean you can make that choice as easily as any of the others, realizing that that person's opinion really doesn't affect your life and is not worth your time to worry about. "Don't let it rent your brain-space" might be a better phrasing. Opinions are like something else we all have, y'know?

VUPDBlue had a tool at his disposal and used it. Had someone said the same to you and I'd seen it (or him, or any of the staff, really) the same would have happened. I would have dropped the hammer on that person without hesitation. Temporary or permanent would depend on past history. Probably a temp at first, pending review. Had the attack been on me, personally? It takes me no time at all to report a post.

We have different priorities and training. His is to handle situations decisively, and he's prepared to cycle through his options to do so in a split second. I tend to approach things with decisiveness, but also with an eye toward the other person's view. Does he have a reason to be insulting me, or is he just being that other thing we all have, besides an opinion? For my part, I also try to deal with stuff just as any member does. I haven't always had this hammer, and I won't always have it. That is not to be taken as a thought that either he or I do "it" wrongly. We just have different approaches. That's part of what I meant above in re: complementing each others' strengths and weaknesses.

I understand that it's frustrating to see someone doing something you can't. That he was able to just issue the well-deserved ban, rather than wait for someone else to do it could certainly be irksome. Tossing in that GFY phrase was, I think, what ticked more people off. He's apologized for it, which, really, is all he can do, as removing the post or editing it and all the replies that quoted it would be exactly what he was wrongly accused of doing. I know the man behind the avatar and screen name, and from what I know of him, that apology was sincere. Some will accept it, others may not. That's their choice. I respect the fact that he stood up, took responsibility for his post, and didn't try one iota to duck it.

As to your suggestion... Thank you again. It's mostly already in place. Any others?

Blessings,
Bill

I have only two issues with what happened and go **** yourself isn't one.

First, like I said, another mod should have dealt the punishment. Had that happened, I doubt anyone would have an issue with the ban.
Second, when someone acts inappropriately, apologizes, but does nothing to correct their mistake, I'm left to wonder how sincere the apology is. This has happened three times (that I know of) and only one time did the mod actually do something that showed that he was sorry for his actions. Saying sorry is just lip service. Showing sorry is more meaningful.

 

[mbills2223]

Hey you're stupid!

So, Saturday for lunch then? You're buying right?

Never works for me

Thank you, gentlemen.

No ghost writer.

I do all my own stunts.

And mbills... I'm a paramedic.

 

[nakinate]

I think what Kut is getting at is the stats should cause you to look deeper into the department/stats to see why the stats are what they are. Simply taking the stats at face value (as racist or not) is leaving a lot on the table. 80-90% should make you stop and dig into other info to see what is really going on.

 

[Dead Duck]

I'm sure 75% of my posts are reported.

Close - It's actually more like 78.8493%.....................but who's counting.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/05/u...iolations-in-ferguson-shooting.html?referrer=

 

[THE BIG SITT]

This is gonna cost me......a lot.....

Trying to make everyone like you can get expensive.