The Czickness LIII….CZing into the summer with friends near and far.

[WebSnyper]

Oh and got another quick range trip in today. Couple mags through the Scorpion to function check new trigger and spring.

All good. New trigger has a nice short crisp reset.

 

[mcapo]

So I'm curious. Do non sub sonic rounds like 9mm 115 grain and 124 grain shoot dirtier / create more backpressure, etc than, 147 grain sub sonic when shooting suppressed?

This is my first suppressor and to be honest, I've never delvd in to deep on reading tons about them.

The short answer is, "Yes".

The medium answer is, "Given the same brand of ammo and a typical gas gun, the higher the pressure, the more blow back you will have and thus more dirt. Ammo brands, powder, etc will all be a little different. Difference is less noticeable in a piston gun and hardly at all in bolt gun. Suppressor design (flow through or not, length, etc) with impact this as well. Barrel length, gas system - all factors. Not to mention wind direction - which can make a little blowback seem like a lot."

The long answer is too complex for me.

 

[WebSnyper]

The short answer is, "Yes".

The medium answer is, "Given the same brand of ammo and a typical gas gun, the higher the pressure, the more blow back you will have and thus more dirt. Ammo brands, powder, etc will all be a little different. Difference is less noticeable in a piston gun and hardly at all in bolt gun. Suppressor design (flow through or not, length, etc) with impact this as well. Barrel length, gas system - all factors. Not to mention wind direction - which can make a little blowback seem like a lot."

The long answer is too complex for me.

All good. I don't have any 147 grain ammo and just shot some 147 at Andrew's place that he gave me. The rest has been 115 and 124 and it seems to make sense this would be the case, but I haven't had an isolated 147 grain range trip to really compare.

I'm starting to do some video watching on flow through vs standard suppressors as well.

That said, I really like this thing. I considered the Scorpion 3+ micro a subjectively loud gun and being able to pull off the hearing pro and shoot it is a pretty cool thing.

 

[Firehawk]

Do they take CZ75 magazines?

Yes, according to the internet. It’s based off of the Tanfoglio Witness small frame which is based off of the CZ 75.

I did some research today and found out that Tanfoglio and Sarsilmaz were partners at one point and that’s how Sar got into the CZ “clone” business. When I first got into the CZ realm I thought that Tanfoglio was a knock off, but many their modern pistols are just as nice or nicer than CZs. (Is it heresy to say that here?) I’ve been very impressed with my Tanfoglio. According to internet reviews the Sar is comparable to Tanfoglio in quality. However, I still take that with a grain of salt if I don’t personally know the reviewer.

 

[DadSmith]

Yes, according to the internet. It’s based off of the Tanfoglio Witness small frame which is based off of the CZ 75.

I did some research today and found out that Tanfoglio and Sarsilmaz were partners at one point and that’s how Sar got into the CZ “clone” business. When I first got into the CZ realm I thought that Tanfoglio was a knock off, but many their modern pistols are just as nice or nicer than CZs. (Is it heresy to say that here?) I’ve been very impressed with my Tanfoglio. According to internet reviews the Sar is comparable to Tanfoglio in quality. However, I still take that with a grain of salt if I don’t personally know the reviewer.

I also like a nice stainless steel firearm. As you described above.

 

[DadSmith]

Good morning INGO.

Wasn't able to sleep at all last night.
Fortunately I'm doing nothing so I'll get rest hopefully soon.

You all have a great day.

 

[wtburnette]

Morning all...

 

[88E30M50]

Morning folks! ️

 

[88E30M50]

Yes, according to the internet. It’s based off of the Tanfoglio Witness small frame which is based off of the CZ 75.

I did some research today and found out that Tanfoglio and Sarsilmaz were partners at one point and that’s how Sar got into the CZ “clone” business. When I first got into the CZ realm I thought that Tanfoglio was a knock off, but many their modern pistols are just as nice or nicer than CZs. (Is it heresy to say that here?) I’ve been very impressed with my Tanfoglio. According to internet reviews the Sar is comparable to Tanfoglio in quality. However, I still take that with a grain of salt if I don’t personally know the reviewer.

In my experience, the clones can have better machine work and improved design updates over CZs. But they then throw all of that improvement away by using roll pins in place of captured pins in the trigger and hammer.

Roll pins are functionally fine, but solid pins give a better trigger feel. Especially as a gun ages. CZ has embraced roll pins as well in poly guns, so they are just a fact of modern gun design.

The end result is that the clones make for some great shooters but if you want to take a trigger to near perfection, and have it stay there for a long time, an old style CZ 75 is possibly a better starting point.

 

[Bennettjh]

Good morning all. It is Monday.

 

[rkwhyte2]

Morning heading to Valparaiso this morning.

 

[WebSnyper]

Well, I ordered the tactical oven mitt otherwise known as the "Mechanix Wear: Tactical Specialty X-Pad Suppressor Handler - Heat and Flame Resistant CarbonX Technology Rated to 2000F, DuPont Kevlar Stitching (Black)" but what I received was the Suppressor cover.

When I was opening up the package I thought this is pretty small, then I realized why.

Contact sent to the seller via Amazon. Let's see how they handle this.

I got the suppressor pouch or tactical tube sock a couple of days ago and it seems ok so far.

Got this response this morning in Amazon portal from my contact over the weekend:

"Hey there, I am sending you the X-Pad. Something must have gotten mixed up when we were shipping. I apologize for this. Here is the tracking number for the X-Pad: xxxxx Please do not worry about sending us the cover back due to our mistake. Thank you, Wet Worx Outfitters"

Pretty happy with their handling of this so far.

 

[gmcttr]

...The end result is that the clones make for some great shooters but if you want to take a trigger to near perfection, and have it stay there for a long time, an old style CZ 75 is possibly a better starting point.

Or you can go with a 1911 based pistol for a truely fine trigger.

This message was brought to you in memory of CM.

 

[MindfulMan]

Or you can go with a 1911 based pistol for a truely fine trigger.

This message was brought to you in memory of CM.

CM also liked to show how a 1911 could be used as a fine tool to 'whomp' somebody on the head !
As guys like us (who came of age in the 60's) would do, this included a demonstration of the proper 'whomping' technique ..... to the great glee of us both.

 

[Born2vette]

Paid a visit to @Aszerigan today

 

[MindfulMan]

A fine assassin, um range tool, Norm !

Seriously, I'm glad that everyone is receiving their NFA items so quickly.

 

[gmcttr]

Paid a visit to @Aszerigan today

I've had an Obsidian 9 for a couple of years. It's currently on my AR9 SBR in the short configuration. Me likey.

 

[drillsgt]

A fine assassin, um range tool, Norm !

Seriously, I'm glad that everyone is receiving their NFA items so quickly.

Still waiting on mine.

 

[Born2vette]

A fine assassin, um range tool, Norm !

Seriously, I'm glad that everyone is receiving their NFA items so quickly.

This will be taking up nightstand duty with a WML. Gotta protect the ears of intruders you know

 

[rkwhyte2]

This will be taking up nightstand duty with a WML. Gotta protect the ears of intruders you know

Remy will also appreciate the lack of noise.