The CZickness III

[churchmouse]

Yes, you can only hit silver dollars. Oh, the horror.

IKR

 

[Birds Away]

No one will ever volunteer to hold your targets.

I would feel perfectly safe, even unarmed, if you were around. That club is very small.

 

[churchmouse]

No one will ever volunteer to hold your targets.

I would feel perfectly safe, even unarmed, if you were around. That club is very small.

Vice Versa

 

[RustyHornet]

I think sometimes we get too caught up in having "groups". Sure they look good on paper, but in a defensive situation it's not gonna matter if you've got the tightest groups just as long as you hit the target. That's why shooting steel is fun, after the paint wears off its hard to tell where you're hitting, but as long as you get the "ding" you're happy.

 

[churchmouse]

I think sometimes we get too caught up in having "groups". Sure they look good on paper, but in a defensive situation it's not gonna matter if you've got the tightest groups just as long as you hit the target. That's why shooting steel is fun, after the paint wears off its hard to tell where you're hitting, but as long as you get the "ding" you're happy.

Active targets are the best.

 

[Birds Away]

Yes, I love shooting steel. There is a club here that has two sets of steel pie plates set up on racks. Six plates in a row. If you can drop those in a reasonable time at ten yards you are probably okay.

 

[RustyHornet]

The only thing better than steel is explosives. Those never get boring.

 

[churchmouse]

The only thing better than steel is explosives. Those never get boring.

Well yeah.............

 

[TopDog]

I think sometimes we get too caught up in having "groups". Sure they look good on paper, but in a defensive situation it's not gonna matter if you've got the tightest groups just as long as you hit the target. That's why shooting steel is fun, after the paint wears off its hard to tell where you're hitting, but as long as you get the "ding" you're happy.

I disagree. In a defensive situation you are not going to be thinking as much as reacting. You are going to fall back on training, muscle memory etc... You shoot small groups on paper you have a better chance of shooting small groups in real life. Three rounds that graze an aggressor are not going to do as much as one well aimed shot to an organ. Another reason I like to train with photo realistic targets.

Sorry it's that whole Marine Corps training thing, one shot one kill philosophy as opposed to spry and pray. I see people do mag dumps at 7 yards on paper on the range all the time and none of the holes on paper would have stopped a person. And that is on paper that is not moving.

First the basic marksmanship training as a foundation where every shot counts.
I am no expert and I am not a self proclaimed "trainer" just my thoughts on how larger capacity magazines as opposed to 7 / 8 round mags have had a negative impact on defensive handgun shooting. Too many people think 3 or 4 rapid fire rounds from a 9mm are going to be better than one well aimed shot from a .45acp. I don't think that is going to work in real life situations.

 

[churchmouse]

I see what Rusty is saying. I also agree with you.
The hi-cap mag world has changed the way a lot of new shooters approach self defense.

 

[RustyHornet]

Considering trading my p09 towards an sp01. Thoughts from the 's? I'll be losing money, but I label that as a 'rental' charge.

 

[churchmouse]

I see no issue with this.......but I am ****ing nuts anyway.......

 

[IndyGlockMan]

If you do not have the absolute latest cell phone you are not in tune with the times.....

Us old timers shoot what is comfortable. What works. My stance is a self defense thing as well as a sturdy shooting platform. I can not find a happy spot doing the new stuff......Square peg in a round peg world.

It's not that you can't. You can for sure.
Just have to make yourself learn the new stuff and reset your muscle memory which takes time, practice, and a lot of ammo.
It's never too late to learn. Yes, even an old dog can learn new tricks

 

[wtburnette]

Considering trading my p09 towards an sp01. Thoughts from the 's? I'll be losing money, but I label that as a 'rental' charge.

I'd do it. I love my P-09 but the SP-01 is at another level.

 

[IndyGlockMan]

10mm Witness... looks pretty sweet
EAA Witness 10MM Cool Guy Starter Pack - $700 (TheRex Divorce Sale Extravaganza) - AR15.COM

 

[bcannon]

I see no issue with this.......but I am ****ing nuts anyway.......

Id have to agree...but its the Good ****ing nuts syndrom for sure - the SP01 is CZs flagship, Id say good decision

 

[bjenkins]

I'd do it. I love my P-09 but the SP-01 is at another level.

To each there own, I disagree. I would just buy an SP-01

 

[churchmouse]

To each there own, I disagree. I would just buy an SP-01

Well yeah....there is "That"

 

[churchmouse]

This might be a deal......https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...97170-remington-golden-saber-9mm-124gr-p.html

 

[IndyGlockMan]

This might be a deal......https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...97170-remington-golden-saber-9mm-124gr-p.html

$20/box of 50. Thats a good deal