The (Current year) General Political/Salma Hayek discussion Thread Part V

[Jludo]

What good does the sacrifice do? It is the donation/contribution/gift that does the good.
Ask any charity which will do the most good, $5 or $100.

I think it's a christian morality thing. Mark 12:41-44

 

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[nonobaddog]

I think it's a christian morality thing. Mark 12:41-44

Seems like the real Christian morality thing to do would be to take a chunk of the treasury and give it to the poor old widow.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Put this way Trump wouldn't sacrifice any bit of himself or his wealth for the greater good of the country. However if climbing the latter of status and wealth just so happens to be accomplished by saying or doing the right thing, that's what he'll do.

Answered, yes indeed he would.

Moving goal post.


P.S. This is not a good way to debate.

I'll have to disagree, the statement was that he wouldn't sacrifice any of his wealth, if by promising to donate his salary to charity which is what he is doing, he can claim that as a tax deduction for starters. Also if by promising and doing so helped him get elected, and him being President increases his wealth by more than his salary he's donating then he wouldn't be sacrificing any at all.

Similar to how stores run sales with "loss leaders", they advertise certain items at or below their cost. By doing so they get people into the store who then purchase other items which more than make up for the loss on the loss leaders. They are not giving up their profits by selling some things at or below cost, they are increasing their profits by selling more of profit making goods. Do you think his golf club membership fee would have doubled in a year if he hadn't won or run? IIRC the occupancy rate of his hotel in DC has also increased quite a bit as well. Those are just two examples across his many businesses.

 

[HoughMade]

Seems like the real Christian morality thing to do would be to take a chunk of the treasury and give it to the poor old widow.

 

[Jludo]

Seems like the real Christian morality thing to do would be to take a chunk of the treasury and give it to the poor old widow.

Christianity as socialism?

I saw somewhere a rabbi saying one of Christianity's greatest contributions was that one little line render unto caesar. Where most religions in the past were intertwined with govt. The bible left it open to separation of church and state.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

In this we will disagree. If a pauper give $5 to starving person, I view that more favorably than if a millionaire gave $100 to the same person. It's about sacrifice, and in my opinion, while dollar to dollar the millionaire gave significantly more, his sacrifice is much less, in comparison to the pauper.

Thinking like that leads nowhere good.

How so? One is voluntarily giving, the other is forced redistribution.

Which would you rather defend during judgement?

"Lord, I gave enough to get the maximum tax deduction"

or

"Lord, I gave all that I could afford"

I think it's a christian morality thing. Mark 12:41-44

AKA The poor widow's offering.
I was going to post this, thank you.

Seems like the real Christian morality thing to do would be to take a chunk of the treasury and give it to the poor old widow.

See my response to Printcraft above. I've seen nowhere in the Bible where Jesus advocating for the govt to forcibly redistribute wealth/goods.

 

[printcraft]

How so? One is voluntarily giving, the other is forced redistribution.

"They are rich, they can afford it."
How long is it going to be voluntary? The ones wanting more taken don't pay attention to what has already be pulled, they want it all.
How do you think they are going to pay for medicare for all and the green new deal?
Do you think it will just be the rich guys that will get hit?

 

[ArcadiaGP]

Media meltdown today about the Nats at the White House, and Kurt Suzuki wearing a MAGA hat with Trump

https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/1191443411397730304

Putting on a “MAGA” hat is a form of racist hate speech and an implicit threat of violence. Kurt Suzuki should be banned from baseball. If you don’t like this tweet, **** you.

1) Freedom of speech does not include freedom from consequences. Kurt Suzuki's employer Major League Baseball is well within its legal rights to fire him for racist hate speech, which is what a MAGA hat is.

2) Americans have an absolute right to pressure Major League Baseball to fire a racist hate monger like Kurt Suzuki, and to boycott MLB until it feels financially compelled to fire him.

3) This isn't about punishing someone for his "political views." Racist hate speech, and implicit threats of violence against immigrants and minorities, are not political views. They're just scumbaggery.

4) Kurt Suzuki has the right to walk down the street wearing that racist MAGA hat, the right to not be punished by the government for it, the right to not get beaten up for it, etc. But that's the end of the legal protections that he's afforded.

5) Racist scumbags have no default right to enter a place of place of business while wearing a MAGA hat, no legal right to hold any job where the employer finds it embarrassing, and no right to be coddled by those who mistakenly think the First Amendment is a free pass in life.

6) The notion that racists are the only ones with absolute rights, and that the rest of us are just supposed to shut up and not push back against them, is theater of the absurd. That's not even close to what the First Amendment is.

7) Some of you hate Trump as much as I do, but you don't think racist scum like Kurt Suzuki should be banned from baseball. That's valid. But you're mistaken if you think I'm in any way violating his First Amendment rights by calling for his employer to get rid of him for racism.

8) Numerous Trump supporters also seem to mistakenly think that the First Amendment gives them the right to call for specific acts of violence against me in the replies to this tweet. That tells you all you need to know about their total lack of understanding about any of this.

 

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[Timjoebillybob]

"They are rich, they can afford it."
How long is it going to be voluntary? The ones wanting more taken don't pay attention to what has already be pulled, they want it all.
How do you think they are going to pay for medicare for all and the green new deal?
Do you think it will just be the rich guys that will get hit?

None of which have to do with the post you quoted, including your "quote". The post was about relative voluntary sacrifice. You may wish to read the scripture (The poor widow's offering) mentioned above as an idea of what the post was about IMO.

 

[nonobaddog]

Christianity as socialism?

You mistake freely giving for forced government taking? Good Lord.

 

[Jludo]

You mistake freely giving for forced government taking? Good Lord.

I must have misread. You said "Seems like the real Christian morality thing to do would be to take a chunk of the treasury and give it to the poor old widow."
To me, 'the treasury' means US govt. money.

 

[nonobaddog]

I must have misread. You said "Seems like the real Christian morality thing to do would be to take a chunk of the treasury and give it to the poor old widow."
To me, 'the treasury' means US govt. money.

Yes, you misread. Go back to Mark 12 and try again.

 

[Jludo]

Yes, you misread. Go back to Mark 12 and try again.

I'm not asking about the bible, I'm asking about what you meant when you said it seems like the real christian morality thing to do is take a chunk of the treasury and give it to the poor old widow. Did you misspeak? Sarcasm that flew over my head?

 

[nonobaddog]

I'm not asking about the bible, I'm asking about what you meant when you said it seems like the real christian morality thing to do is take a chunk of the treasury and give it to the poor old widow. Did you misspeak? Sarcasm that flew over my head?

You didn't read Mark 12:41-44. The treasury is that of the temple, the old widow gave all she had - two mites. This giving is suggested as an act of Christian morality. I am suggesting it would be more an act of Christian morality to give from the treasury of the temple to the old widow rather than accepting her whole livelihood into the temple treasury.

No f***ing socialism involved.

 

[Jludo]

You didn't read Mark 12:41-44. The treasury is that of the temple, the old widow gave all she had - two mites. This giving is suggested as an act of Christian morality. I am suggesting it would be more an act of Christian morality to give from the treasury of the temple to the old widow rather than accepting her whole livelihood into the temple treasury.

No f***ing socialism involved.

Ah I confused the church treasury with the state treasury.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Media meltdown today about the Nats at the White House, and Kurt Suzuki wearing a MAGA hat with Trump

https://twitter.com/PalmerReport/status/1191443411397730304

Funny. Kneeling for the national anthem... “it’s their right and the nfl can’t fire them for it”

wear a maga hat... “rights have consequences and mlb should fire them!”

do these people actually think?

 

[nonobaddog]

There has been no evidence of actual libtard 'thinking' or prefrontal cortex activity for about three years now due to widespread TDS which severely inhibits this function.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Its always funnier when there’s truth to it.