The (Current year) General Political/Salma Hayek discussion Thread Part V

[printcraft]

Originally Posted by Jludo
Put this way Trump wouldn't sacrifice any bit of himself or his wealth for the greater good of the country.

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And yet that is exactly what he is doing. He does not take the Presidential salary. Could you imagine somebody like obummer doing the same thing? No, I can't either, the thought is hilarious.

Answered, yes indeed he would.

The 400k a year salary is peanuts compared to what presidents stand to make with decisions in office and after office. Do you think Trumps net worth will be less after these years of sacrificing the presidential salary? It was a calculated political bit to get elected, knowing full well the wealth in the presidency isn't in the salary. I would be willing to bet the Trump family net worth will have climbed substantially as part of this stint in office.

Even Obama, with no business knowledge, managed to turn the presidency into a tens of millions of dollars payday.

The money isn't even most important to Trump, it's having his name on TV every day and millions of adoring fans. Think of it this way, if Trump could have best served the country as a no-name bureaucrat working on US trade deals in the shadows and making a huge impact but never getting recognition, do you think he would have ever done it?

Moving goal post.

P.S. This is not a good way to debate.

 

[Leadeye]

I think it all depends on what you are more comfortable with in the next election, a crooked socialist or President Trump. That's the choice that leadership will give you, make the best of it you can.

 

[Jludo]

I think it all depends on what you are more comfortable with in the next election, a crooked socialist or President Trump. That's the choice that leadership will give you, make the best of it you can.

I'm not sure you need the 'crooked' part, do you look any more favorably on an honest socialist? If you're putting Trump up as the alternative I don't think 'crooked' is a term you want to invoke.

 

[Leadeye]

I don't like the President either, but find me an honest socialist running for president. Socialism by definition is crooked, it takes money from people that have it and gives it to groups that support the socialist, no different than any other crooked big city machine politician.

 

[nonobaddog]

I just love it when people are proven wrong right in front of their face and it doesn't faze them at all, totally bricked. One of my ex wives was that way, she only knew so much and that was not about to altered or added to by any known process in the universe.

 

[T.Lex]

I don't like the President either, but find me an honest socialist running for president. Socialism by definition is crooked, it takes money from people that have it and gives it to groups that support the socialist, no different than any other crooked big city machine politician.

I think Bernie Sanders is an honest socialist. I appreciate that he owns it, even if I think it is a terrible ideology.

(All gov't takes money and redistributes it.)

 

[Jludo]

I don't like the President either, but find me an honest socialist running for president. Socialism by definition is crooked, it takes money from people that have it and gives it to groups that support the socialist, no different than any other crooked big city machine politician.

You can have a different moral political philosophy without being inherently crooked, I think of crooked as out for personal gain at the expense others. By definition a wealthy socialist gladly paying 70% tax rate wouldn't be a crook.
Unless you're arguing from an anarcho capitalist, all taxes are theft etc. viewpoint. As it stands now I think most people are a little socialist, in that we accept at least some welfare.

 

[ArcadiaGP]

It's now defamation to say you didn't commit a crime.

E. Jean Carroll filed a defamation lawsuit against Donald Trump for the president’s comments denying the journalist’s claims that he raped her in a department store in the 1990s

 

[Kutnupe14]

And yet that is exactly what he is doing. He does not take the Presidential salary. Could you imagine somebody like obummer doing the same thing? No, I can't either, the thought is hilarious.

He doesn't take a presidential salary. That's what $400K? So essentially he needs 2 new memberships, per year, at Mar A Lago to break even? That was doubled, right after he won the presidency, from $100K to $200K. Should one be impressed, when a supposed Billionaire is donating that amount? And as far as Obama, he donated approximately $1M while in office, or doing the math, 5 years of his president's salary. Further, since leaving office, he's donated $2M more. I assume we can both agree, that Obama has a fraction of the wealth that Trump has, billionaire or not. So it begs to ask, who has intentionally made the larger financial donations, as a percentage of their personal net worth? I assume this isn't something that one needs to consider very long.

 

[printcraft]

He doesn't take a presidential salary. That's what $400K? So essentially he needs 2 new memberships, per year, at Mar A Lago to break even? That was doubled, right after he won the presidency, from $100K to $200K. Should one be impressed, when a supposed Billionaire is donating that amount? And as far as Obama, he donated approximately $1M while in office, or doing the math, 5 years of his president's salary. Further, since leaving office, he's donated $2M more. I assume we can both agree, that Obama has a fraction of the wealth that Trump has, billionaire or not. So it begs to ask, who has intentionally made the larger financial donations, as a percentage of their personal net worth? I assume this isn't something that one needs to consider very long.

Dude, do yourself a favor and look at post 661.

Stop moving the ****ing goalpost.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I don't like the President either, but find me an honest socialist running for president. Socialism by definition is crooked, it takes money from people that have it and gives it to groups that support the socialist, no different than any other crooked big city machine politician.

You consider Joe Biden a socialist?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Dude, do yourself a favor and look at post 661.

Stop moving the ****ing goalpost.

What comment did "I" make, that with the my (assumedly) subsequent post, would qualify as "moving the ****ing goalposts?" Please show me, I'll wait.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Why should it matter what percentage of ones wealth is donated? The fact that he hasn’t taken the presidential salary should be enough. He was a businessman, now it’s a problem his businesses were successful?

 

[printcraft]

What comment did "I" make, that with the my (assumedly) subsequent post, would qualify as "moving the ****ing goalposts?" Please show me, I'll wait.

The original discussion was based on Juldo's comment above.

You know how I can tell you didn't read post 661?

 

[nonobaddog]

You consider Joe Biden a socialist?

Joe Biden is definitely crooked but he is a little less of a socialist than some of the other bat-**** crazy dumocrap candidates wanting to run the USA into the sewer.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Why should it matter what percentage of ones wealth is donated? The fact that he hasn’t taken the presidential salary should be enough. He was a businessman, now it’s a problem his businesses were successful?

Printcraft where did you get that "moving the ****ing goalposts" gif again?

 

[Kutnupe14]

The original discussion was based on Juldo's comment above.

You know how I can tell you didn't read post 661?

Oh, I'm clear. Jludo was tripped up on the specifics of his wording. Common sense tells me, that he was implying that Trump always considers his net worth when making decisions, and would, when all things are considered, certainly put himself in the "red" for the benefit of others. He may make certain sacrifices, but those sacrifices will always ensure that he remains making a profit, overall.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Printcraft where did you get that "moving the ****ing goalposts" gif again?

LOL. I’m moving goalposts? You have a worse record than vinateri with goalpost this season. My comment was about the president not taking the salary, yours was comparing his net worth to Obama’s and how much percentage of each persons wealth was donated. Are you trolling, or genuinely lost on the subject?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Joe Biden is definitely crooked but he is a little less of a socialist than some of the other bat-**** crazy dumocrap candidates wanting to run the USA into the sewer.

He maybe, but that hasn't been proven. Do you think that Trump is crooked? I'd challenge you to compare the two in respective crookedness; proven or simply allegations.

 

[Kutnupe14]

LOL. I’m moving goalposts? You have a worse record than vinateri with goalpost this season. My comment was about the president not taking the salary, yours was comparing his net worth to Obama’s and how much percentage of each persons wealth was donated. Are you trolling, or genuinely lost on the subject?

How did you read the second part of that post, and not the first? And further, did you forget about you comments concerning Obama? I clearly addressed the president "not taking a salary." Is Bill Barr over there with a black marker making redactions?