The (Current year) General Political/Salma Hayek discussion Thread Part V

[nonobaddog]

Yeah, ones that I know are fond of pointing to the high rates of taxation during The Two, when we were all pulling together to defeat an existential threat that had attacked us pretty much without provocation

As if we would be willing to accept such a confiscatory tax rate to prop up the weak-minded, the lazy and the border jumpers among us. The only ones who support this pretty much have no skin in the game or think trading high taxes for $100k in college debt forgiveness is a good deal

We need to get these kids in the workforce and making money so they can feel the Bern

The trouble is many of them owe $100K and still need an education.

If they majored in blah-blah-studies they do not have much for useful knowledge or skills. This makes free **** look pretty good to them. Their 'best-thinking' got them into that predicament and now they are going to use that same 'best-thinking' to decide who to vote for.

 

[actaeon277]

 

[nonobaddog]

The notion that there are people that think this is a good idea is terrifying.

It really is terrifying.
The healthcare industry would go down the crapper.
Businesses would cut way back on employees - or simply close.
The economy would tank and pretty soon these same idiots that are protesting for this crap would be out protesting against the world they wanted. And it would be too late.

 

[Dr.Midnight]

It really is terrifying.
The healthcare industry would go down the crapper.
Businesses would cut way back on employees - or simply close.
The economy would tank and pretty soon these same idiots that are protesting for this crap would be out protesting against the world they wanted. And it would be too late.

The people that are belly-aching now over which bathroom they can take a dump in or why Sally with a set of nuts can't play women's soccer will be able to put those protesting skills to good use once unemployment skyrockets and the cost of everything goes through the roof due to this dumb ass plan.

 

[nonobaddog]

So where are the anti-Trumpers on here?
Why aren't they explaining how wonderful this clusterf*** would be from their side of unreality?

 

[Jludo]

So where are the anti-Trumpers on here?
Why aren't they explaining how wonderful this clusterf*** would be from their side of unreality?

Trumps a ****ty human being but not worth impeaching when you can just elect someone else into the office next year. Theres no good outcome, within a year we'll either have a President Trump, a president Pence or a president biden/warren/Sanders. I dont like any of them so why get worked up over impeachment?

 

[nonobaddog]

Trumps a ****ty human being but not worth impeaching when you can just elect someone else into the office next year. Theres no good outcome, within a year we'll either have a President Trump, a president Pence or a president biden/warren/Sanders. I dont like any of them so why get worked up over impeachment?

We were talking about medicare for all, how expensive it is and how it could possibly be paid for. How about answering that?

 

[Jludo]

We were talking about medicare for all, how expensive it is and how it could possibly be paid for. How about answering that?

Why would I have an answer for that?

 

[nonobaddog]

Why would I have an answer for that?

Well, putting aside any potential impeachment issue, as you know there is a different thread for that.
It is reasonable to think any anti-Trumper would have knowledge about their alternative to Trump. The primary alternative to Trump is the dumocraps which are pushing for medicare for all.

 

[Jludo]

Well, putting aside any potential impeachment issue, as you know there is a different thread for that.
It is reasonable to think any anti-Trumper would have knowledge about their alternative to Trump. The primary alternative to Trump is the dumocraps which are pushing for medicare for all.

That's confusing, you either have to be a Trumpster or a socialist? I'm happy being neither.

 

[nonobaddog]

That's confusing, you either have to be a Trumpster or a socialist? I'm happy being neither.

In reality - the upcoming choices in the election will most likely be Trump and a dumocrap pushing medicare for all. I guess head-in-sand is one way to deal with it.

How about any other anti-Trumpers? Care to extol the virtues of the dumocrap position on funding medicare for all?

 

[Brad69]

There is no middle ground left you are a pro constitutional or Socialist.

President Trump is a populist not a conservative or a traditional republican probably closer to a “progressive” in the fashion of Teddy Roosevelt than anything.

Medicare for all is a crazy plan!

We are not Europeans who by default are semi socialist!

Paying for it is just one issue, what happens when you are sick and need a Dr.?
1. Call a appointment center in your assigned area
2. Be assigned a appointment with a Dr. in your assigned area
3. Visit Dr. He/She will treat you if tests are needed you be placed in the line
4. Central appt will contact you when/where the tests are scheduled
5. Your priority will be assigned on your “need” better not be old or in bad health only so much “healthcare” to go around

Note:
you will have no choice in the matter just wait till the first “universal” healthcare supporter dies in the line and see what’s said.

 

[Jludo]

What would we say if Trump came out with universal healthcare, Trumpcare? Would twist a lot of people into a pretzel. The political lines have already been drawn so I doubt it happens but there's no ideological reason he'd be opposed to it, If he thought it would make him more popular I could see him getting behind it.

 

[Brad69]

President DJT
Is really into the free market and numbers matter to him.
Universal healthcare would have to be a gradually induced process over many years. It would transform the worlds best system into a run of the mill socialist second rate butcher shop.
His loyalty is America first!

 

[nonobaddog]

I definitely do see Trump being opposed to any "universal" system so that "what if" would not happen. Just my opinion.

 

[jbombelli]

What would we say if Trump came out with universal healthcare, Trumpcare? Would twist a lot of people into a pretzel. The political lines have already been drawn so I doubt it happens but there's no ideological reason he'd be opposed to it, If he thought it would make him more popular I could see him getting behind it.

I doubt that would happen. But if it did I'd be against it.

 

[KG1]

What would we say if Trump came out with universal healthcare, Trumpcare? Would twist a lot of people into a pretzel. The political lines have already been drawn so I doubt it happens but there's no ideological reason he'd be opposed to it, If he thought it would make him more popular I could see him getting behind it.

I don't believe it would make him more popular with his base. So, I'm not seeing it.

 

[Jludo]

Trump in his 2000 book, the America we deserve.

[FONT=&quot]I’m a conservative on most issues but a liberal on health. It is an unacceptable but accurate fact that the number of uninsured Americans has risen to 42 million. Working out detailed plans will take time. But the goal should be clear: Our people are our greatest asset. We must take care of our own. We must have universal healthcare.[/FONT]Our objective [should be] to make reforms for the moment and, longer term, to find an equivalent of the single-payer plan that is affordable, well-administered, and provides freedom of choice. Possible? The good news is, yes. There is already a system in place-the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program-that can act as a guide for all healthcare reform. It operates through a centralized agency that offers considerable range of choice. While this is a government program, it is also very much market-based. It allows 620 private insurance companies to compete for this market. Once a year participants can choose from plans which vary in benefits and costs.

https://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/America_We_Deserve_Health_Care.htm

I'm guessing Trump has seen the light since that book?

 

[KG1]

Trump in his 2000 book, the America we deserve.

[FONT=&amp]I’m a conservative on most issues but a liberal on health. It is an unacceptable but accurate fact that the number of uninsured Americans has risen to 42 million. Working out detailed plans will take time. But the goal should be clear: Our people are our greatest asset. We must take care of our own. We must have universal healthcare.[/FONT]Our objective [should be] to make reforms for the moment and, longer term, to find an equivalent of the single-payer plan that is affordable, well-administered, and provides freedom of choice. Possible? The good news is, yes. There is already a system in place-the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program-that can act as a guide for all healthcare reform. It operates through a centralized agency that offers considerable range of choice. While this is a government program, it is also very much market-based. It allows 620 private insurance companies to compete for this market. Once a year participants can choose from plans which vary in benefits and costs.

https://www.ontheissues.org/Archive/America_We_Deserve_Health_Care.htm

I'm guessing Trump has seen the light since that book?

This is no secret and I expected that it would be brought up. But I have'nt seen anything resembling that position being pushed since so my impression would be that Trump has changed his opinions on a number of things and my statement still holds that if it's not a popular position with his current base then it's a non starter IMO.

 

[Jludo]

This is no secret and I expected that it would be brought up. But I have'nt seen anything resembling that position being pushed since so my impression would be that Trump has changed his opinions on a number of things and my statement still holds that if it's not a popular position with his current base then it's a non starter IMO.

I agree that it's not popular with his base so he won't do it, my point was more that, to the extent that he actually has principles or an ideology, I don't see him opposed to universal healthcare.