The (Current year) General Political/Salma Hayek discussion Thread Part V

[nonobaddog]

The 2012 summit was a disaster.

 

[T.Lex]

Once again, Trump creates a controversy, then expects to be heralded for resolving it.

In between, there was some insightful tweeting that brings to light the conflict of interest.

I announced that I would be willing to do it at NO PROFIT or, if legally permissible, at ZERO COST to the USA.

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So, "he" personally announced that options would be looked at or negotiated. But, he'd be on both sides of the negotiation. His administration would be negotiating with his resort employees.

That's a conflict of interest.

Since it isn't going to happen, it isn't worth going into the details about why neither of those options really solves anything. But, it was interesting to hear/see him write that.

 

[nonobaddog]

Yes, it would be a terrible thing to save America millions of dollars on G7 lodging.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Yes, it would be a terrible thing to save America millions of dollars on G7 lodging.

How would it save millions of dollars over say Camp David, which obviously is government owned? I haven't seen anyone actually through out any figures, only the president declare it would "save millions," obviously, I don't give his word too much credit. On it's face it seems like a falsehood. There, I'm certain, plenty of other places coast to coast that could host the G7 at a much cheaper rate than Doral.

 

[nonobaddog]

Camp David consists of several small cabins and is way too small for a modern G7 summit.
Apparently people don't realize how big a G7 event is.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Camp David consists of several small cabins and is way too small for a modern G7 summit.
Apparently people don't realize how big a G7 event is.

I doubt it has grown much since the 2012 G8, and since Russia is no longer in the group, that's one less nation to worry about. I think for the leaders of 7 nations and their economic advisors, Camp David is large enough, and if it isn't then peoples' entourages are too big. And this still doesn't address how holding it at Trump's club would be saving Americans "millions."

 

[T.Lex]

I doubt it has grown much since the 2012 G8, and since Russia is no longer in the group, that's one less nation to worry about. I think for the leaders of 7 nations and their economic advisors, Camp David is large enough, and if it isn't then peoples' entourages are too big. And this still doesn't address how holding it at Trump's club would be saving Americans "millions."

I think that line of reasoning is that Trump would let the USian delegation stay for free, as part of his America First agenda.

But he could still charge full fare to all the other delegations.

That's the kind of negotiation between the administration and Trump, Inc., personnel that gets really awkward and conflicty.

 

[nonobaddog]

I doubt it has grown much since the 2012 G8, and since Russia is no longer in the group, that's one less nation to worry about. I think for the leaders of 7 nations and their economic advisors, Camp David is large enough, and if it isn't then peoples' entourages are too big. And this still doesn't address how holding it at Trump's club would be saving Americans "millions."

The 2012 G8 summit was limited to only the delegations from the 8 main countries. No other countries or groups were invited. Camp David was too small then. Logistics was a nightmare.

This is Camp David.

 

[nonobaddog]

Modern summits are held at 4 or 5 star hotels. For the summit in Tourmina, Italy in 2017 all 23 four and five star hotels in Tourmina plus 13 more hotels in nearby areas blocked for the more than 1,500 official delegates, many more other delegates(I found 6,000 as one estimate for the total but hard to believe). Blocked means no private bookings for a few days before and during the summit.Many more hotels a little further away just outside the red zone also blocked for the 4,000 journalists and 10,000 member security force. The number of hotels involved is high partly because of the European style of having more smaller hotels instead of fewer large ones.

These lodgings are ****MUCH**** nicer than Camp David.

 

[nonobaddog]

For the summit in France earlier this year the 5 star Hotel du Palais was given a $67 million face-lift for the event.

America would look extremely tacky to have it at Camp David. But some people like tacky.

This is the Hotel du Palais

 

[Kutnupe14]

For the summit in France earlier this year the 5 star Hotel du Palais was given a $67 million face-lift for the event.

America would look extremely tacky to have it at Camp David. But some people like tacky.

This is the Hotel du Palais

Ok, have it elsewhere.... that's isn't a Trump property, doesn't violate the constitution, and isn't picked to prop up a failing property.

 

[nonobaddog]

In Biarritz, France many other additional hotels were blocked to house the thousands of delegates, 4,000 journalists and estimated up to 13,200 military and police security personnel.

The Biarritz airport was closed for 4 days around the event. Train stations closed at Biarritz and four surrounding municipalities, commuter trains canceled. Nearby highway traffic rerouted. No surfing allowed, beach and water secured.

 

[nonobaddog]

Camp David has mosquitoes and woodticks.

 

[Alpo]

Taormina, dude. Been there. Beautiful setting.

 

[BugI02]

I doubt it has grown much since the 2012 G8, and since Russia is no longer in the group, that's one less nation to worry about. I think for the leaders of 7 nations and their economic advisors, Camp David is large enough, and if it isn't then peoples' entourages are too big. And this still doesn't address how holding it at Trump's club would be saving Americans "millions."

Has any other CEO stepped forward to offer to host it at cost? If not, that would be your millions right there

 

[BugI02]

For the summit in France earlier this year the 5 star Hotel du Palais was given a $67 million face-lift for the event.

America would look extremely tacky to have it at Camp David. But some people like tacky.

This is the Hotel du Palais

In that case, hold it in vegas

 

[T.Lex]

....the more than 1,500 official delegates...

I have no idea about the accuracy of your number, but according to the interwebz, Trump Doral only has 700 rooms across 10 lodges. So - like Camp David - it does not appear to have enough rooms either.

To Kut's point, it is also unclear how many +1s show up because of a glitzy locale. Put it in Flint, Michigan, and I doubt there'd be quite as much interest.

 

[nonobaddog]

Vegas would be cool. And they already have thousands of security cameras in place. I have heard you can walk from one end of the strip for miles down to the other end, in and out of various casinos, and never be off-camera.

 

[nonobaddog]

I have no idea about the accuracy of your number, but according to the interwebz, Trump Doral only has 700 rooms across 10 lodges. So - like Camp David - it does not appear to have enough rooms either.

To Kut's point, it is also unclear how many +1s show up because of a glitzy locale. Put it in Flint, Michigan, and I doubt there'd be quite as much interest.

I have no idea of the accuracy either. I have found numbers anywhere from 1,500 to 6,000 delegates. There are many "groups" beyond the 7 countries at most of these summits. However a few like the G8 in USA only had the 8 countries so the delegate count is a variable. The delegations are supposed to be limited to 100 delegates but this is frequently exceeded.

Attending the one in Taormina
Canada
France
Germany
Italy
Japan
United Kingdom
United States
European Union
Ethiopia
Guinea
Kenya
Niger
Nigeria
Tunisia
African Union
African Development Bank
United Nations
Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development
International Monetary Fund
World Bank

 

[nonobaddog]

I have no idea about the accuracy of your number, but according to the interwebz, Trump Doral only has 700 rooms across 10 lodges. So - like Camp David - it does not appear to have enough rooms either.

To Kut's point, it is also unclear how many +1s show up because of a glitzy locale. Put it in Flint, Michigan, and I doubt there'd be quite as much interest.

Of course the whole cluster**** would not fit in Doral, there would be more hotels used for thousands of associated bodies like I have already said.
But Doral did have the advantage of several buildings with 50 to 70 rooms and suites so each of the main countries could have their own building. Kind of a neat setup. And it has 175,000 sq ft of ballroom and meeting rooms - that would have made it appropriately sized for the summit.

People really try to simplify these summits based on their preconceived notions that are just not reality. They are a big event - no single place can house the whole thing. Nearby transportation and lodging are essential.

For instance Camp David is so secluded it takes many hours of coordinated transportation just to get people together there in one of the too small meeting rooms. The housing for people not "privileged" enough to sleep right at Camp David present a logistical and security nightmare.