The 9mm sucks. Man shot 21 times still alive.

[XtremeVel]

That's my main EDC

I like big and heavy but I can see how it could put off some.

It pains me to say it, but thats the one I shoot best. It's why it's the one I have out at home. Just too darn big for me to carry though. I also have the service sized one. But for some reason, I have never taken to shooting it as well as the others.

 

[theweakerbrother]

Anyone want to go visit the graves of dead World War II soldiers and tell them that 9mm is an effective anemic round?

 

[Glock19Dude]

Anyone want to go visit the graves of dead World War II soldiers and tell them that 9mm is an effective anemic round?

+1 I carry a 9mm for personal defense and I've got no qualms about those 15 little friends of mine doing their job if needed.

 

[XtremeVel]

Anyone want to go visit the graves of dead World War II soldiers and tell them that 9mm is an effective anemic round?

I wouldn't want to call it ineffective by any means. In the example you stated, it was probably " ball " ammo used. With the more modern ammo now days, the effectiveness would even be greater.

But saying that, those who just prefer a larger caliber do share a commonality with those who pick and choose the so called " latest and greatest" self defense ammo out there. All they are guilty of is just wanting to have what they feel is the best option for them. It doesn't mean they are saying a particular caliber is not effective...

 

[Jack Ryan]

Personally I shoot the best with my 22lr handgun, and worst with my 44mag. I wouldn't want either because they are at the far ends of the spectrum. I had to go with the most powerful handgun that the weakest link (wife) could handle. Not trying to insult her, but she's not going to hit squat with a 45 as much as I wish she could.

Good idea. It's just exactly the way I'd do it today.

 

[451_Detonics]

Self defense shooting and real estate have three things in common, location, location, location. There are no magic bullets and placement is everything.

 

[MadCity Hoosier]

NY Times article

The article below discusses the hit percentages of NY police officer shootings. 40 to 15% seems to be expected.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/09/weekinreview/09baker.html?_r=1

 

[kingnereli]

Anyone want to go visit the graves of dead World War II soldiers and tell them that 9mm is an effective anemic round?

You mischaracterize the argument. Everyone knows a 9mm can get the job done. There are just several much better options. I do consider it marginal though.

Jack's .22 argument works here too. Do you want to tell anyone who has been killed by a .22lr that it isn't a wise choice for a defensive caliber? Would you advocate .22lr rifle as a primary choice based solely on the fact that it has killed before? Most people have a line where they will only consider calibers of at least a certain size and power. For many 9mm falls below that line.

 

[Iron Soldier]

21 times? Fiddy Cent ain't got nothin on this guy!

 

[slinkus25]

What they are thinking: "I knew i shoulda brought my 22 round mags!"

 

[bladehunter]

9mm sucks

I agree with the earlier post. Any volunteers for my HK P7? I bet one shot, 3 max if you are in shape and run fast.

 

[tbhausen]

When I fire my 9mm, it makes a loud bang, recoils pretty good, leaves nice holes in the target, and rips the hell out of the dirt behind it. I don't think anyone would be too crazy about taking a shot from it.

 

[U.S. Patriot]

There where cases during Vietnam, of our Soldiers unloading full mags of .45 into VC. The VC would finally drop dead at the Soldiers feet. Now yes a lot of them where doped up on opium. Still goes to show, that even 8 shots of .45 point blank range is not a guarantee. There are a lot of factors. That's why you train to shoot center mass. Then you have a better chance of hitting vital organs. You do not shoot to wound, you shoot to stop the threat. Yes shooting paper, and shooting a real life threat is much different. However, you have to have the mindset of me or them! So carry what you are comfortable with. What you shoot the most accurately with. Rather if it's a .380, or a .45. A gun you can not hit **** with is useless, no matter if it's a .44 mag.

 

[kingnereli]

I agree with the earlier post. Any volunteers for my HK P7? I bet one shot, 3 max if you are in shape and run fast.

Yes, because the fact that people generally dislike being shot proves the effectiveness on 9mm.

When I fire my 9mm, it makes a loud bang, recoils pretty good, leaves nice holes in the target, and rips the hell out of the dirt behind it. I don't think anyone would be too crazy about taking a shot from it.

I'm not too crazy about being shot by a potato cannon but I wouldn't trust one for self defense. The same is true for your scenario.

 

[pathfinder317]

Read the second article, the one pathologist said the human body can actually survive many bullet wounds. Also I did not see them mention drugs. If he was jacked up on some ****. Especially heroin which is a pain killer. Then the body is not going to react, as if the system was clean of foreign substances. If you think that 9mm sucks. Take your chances then, and volunteer to be shot 21 times. My

Thats exactly what I was thinking , I bet he was higher than a kite on something. I wouldn't want someone shooting at me with anything.

 

[Cemetery-man]

9mm is my goto round for self defense guns. I have .357, .38, .380 and .45 which are strictly used for range shooting only. All 3 of my current carry guns are in 9mm as will be any future ones as well.

 

[hoosiervette]

Isn't a 380 basicly a short 38 caliber or not?

Not in new Yonkers! It's the guns fault!

Not a fan of the 9mm in anything, just not enough knock down power. But isn't the 380 basicly a short 38?

Not an expert in anything but switch between a 45 caliiber stainless Colt combat commander and S&W Sigma 40 caliber, like the 14+1 round capacity of this one, with an extra clip give me all the ammo you should need for about any circumstances

Bill

 

[CTC B4Z]

Wondering if they were ball or hollow rounds

 

[ChrisK1977]

I am sure if they recovered them in him, they were hollow points. FMJ would most likely zip through him and since this isn't 1930 I am pretty sure there isn't a law enforcement agency that still issues FMJ or ball ammo to officers. FMJ's or ball ammo is more for targets and military.

 

[MJ317]

21 times shot with a 9mm

Still kicking. Sounds like the shooter does well to hit the broad side of a barn.