The 2020 General Election Thread II

[Slapstick]

So in the end they are a conduit that has been hacked by nefarious actors providing connections for voting systems that are alleged to have been hacked by nefarious actors...

Possibly but Dominion voting machine DO NOT run Solarwind software. No one will know for sure until Solarwind's servers are examined but at this point it is just a coincidence. Solarwind provides their services to thousands of costumers worldwide including Governments, and a lot of Fortune 500 companies. From what I've read they are being looked at as the way hackers got into the US Government systems.

 

[Slapstick]

...that too should be easily proven or disproven. It is noted they say specifically the Orion Platform. It is possible that they could be using other SolarWinds products.

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/solarwinds-hack-dominion-debunk/

I think I will wait on evidence to come forward

Technically correct since it's the SERV-U product from Solarwinds that they were allegedly using not Orion.

 

[T.Lex]

I have seen references to this several times. Is this fact or fake news?

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I'd say that's mostly true. Parts of that are the constitutional framework for how elections are finalized, but it has been mostly a formality for more than 100 years (IIRC).

There is an opportunity for objecting and I believe Pence will be the chair of the proceedings in his role as President of the Senate. There really isn't much in the way of precedent in terms of what counts as a valid objection or not. Procedurally, I think there's an opportunity for the Senate to vote on whether the objection should be sustained, so that will test the mettle of Trump-supporting senators.

Much depends on the participants' appetite for a constitutional crisis.

 

[Ingomike]

That seems to be where this is landing right now. Similar to I got a virus on my computer and blaming the Microsoft OS.

Things can always change.

From Dominion FAQ


https://www.dominionvoting.com/election2020-setting-the-record-straight/

If they have any ties to political figures or foreign companies that they are categorically denying, that should be relatively easy to prove in a court. I did note they say "has" no ties not "has and never has had".

Also a spokesperson for Dominion said,



that too should be easily proven or disproven. It is noted they say specifically the Orion Platform. It is possible that they could be using other SolarWinds products.

https://www.dailydot.com/debug/solarwinds-hack-dominion-debunk/

I think I will wait on evidence to come forward

So is dominion's own website having the SolarWinds logo and saying powered by, is not enough evidence?

 

[Ingomike]

Possibly but Dominion voting machine DO NOT run Solarwind software. No one will know for sure until Solarwind's servers are examined but at this point it is just a coincidence. Solarwind provides their services to thousands of costumers worldwide including Governments, and a lot of Fortune 500 companies. From what I've read they are being looked at as the way hackers got into the US Government systems.

The screen grabs from the archives say they do run SolarWind software. Why do you believe they don't?

 

[JCSR]

I'd say that's mostly true. Parts of that are the constitutional framework for how elections are finalized, but it has been mostly a formality for more than 100 years (IIRC).

There is an opportunity for objecting and I believe Pence will be the chair of the proceedings in his role as President of the Senate. There really isn't much in the way of precedent in terms of what counts as a valid objection or not. Procedurally, I think there's an opportunity for the Senate to vote on whether the objection should be sustained, so that will test the mettle of Trump-supporting senators.

Much depends on the participants' appetite for a constitutional crisis.

I don't have a lot of confidence in the GOP putting up a fight.

 

[Ingomike]

I don't have a lot of confidence in the GOP putting up a fight.

There is a lot of things to come out before the events you are asking about occur. Look at the sheer volume that happened just yesterday. Buckle up, likely to get bumpy...

 

[T.Lex]

I don't have a lot of confidence in the GOP putting up a fight.

Me either, although we may disagree on whether that's a good or bad thing.

I think there is a compelling argument for the long view on this one. Republicans control a bunch of states, so let's use those investigative powers to look at some of the corporate-level allegations of wrongdoing - like Dominion. Especially in red states that use Dominion (I think there are some), let's figure out to what extent that system is really vulnerable. We can't change other states' systems, but we can make a political issue of it.

And then look to 2024.

The other options I've seen floated are worse than the pox of 4 years of Biden/Harris.

 

[foszoe]

You can have Microsoft Word but not Microsoft excel.

SolarWinds Serv-U is not SolarWinds Orion. Even the screenshot says Serv-U. Its not a denial Dominion may run SolarWinds Software. It's a denial they run Solarwinds Orion.

The screen grabs from the archives say they do run SolarWind software. Why do you believe they don't?

 

[Ingomike]

You can have Microsoft Word but not Microsoft excel.

SolarWinds Serv-U is not SolarWinds Orion. Even the screenshot says Serv-U. Its not a denial Dominion may run SolarWinds Software. It's a denial they run Solarwinds Orion.

So what is the difference? Are they separate companies?

And generally a hack of Word will also hack Excel...

 

[Slapstick]

The screen grabs from the archives say they do run SolarWind software. Why do you believe they don't?

Because the actual voting machine does not run Solarwind products. The screen grab is for their update/software portal. Two totally different things. Solarwind provides a service, a place for a company to store , (supposedly securely) files that need to be transferred to other systems. They don't write the files that are downloaded they just store and distribute them. A lot of companies find that it is easier and cheaper to let someone else do that than to maintain it themselves.

Say you purchase the latest software from Amazon from a company like Norton to run on your computer. Does that mean Amazon software is now running on your computer. No Amazon just acted as the distributor but Norton is one one that actually wrote it.

 

[Ingomike]

Because the actual voting machine does not run Solarwind products. The screen grab is for their update/software portal. Two totally different things. Solarwind provides a service, a place for a company to store , (supposedly securely) files that need to be transferred to other systems. They don't write the files that are downloaded they just store and distribute them. A lot of companies find that it is easier and cheaper to let someone else do that than to maintain it themselves.

Say you purchase the latest software from Amazon from a company like Norton to run on your computer. Does that mean Amazon software is now running on your computer. No Amazon just acted as the distributor but Norton is one one that actually wrote it.

So When updates are performed on voting systems the Dominion update is on solarwind, that is hacked, and the update may also be hacked?

 

[Ingomike]

Seeing major wikileaks data dump today...

 

[Slapstick]

So When updates are performed on voting systems the Dominion update is on solarwind, that is hacked, and the update may also be hacked?

As I said previously, it's possible and no one will knows for sure until Solarwinds servers are examined. The reason they getting looked at is the big Government hack not Dominion. The whole "Solarwind/Dominion" thing at this point is a red hearing to distract from the forensic report on Antrim Co. MI dominion voting machines which did prove irregularities in the Dominion voting system in that County. Since Dominion machines are used in over 30 States it's a safe bet that, if examined, some of the other Dominion machines will show the same irregularities. Those irregularities may prove there was fraud. That's the real story.

 

[Ingomike]

As I said previously, it's possible and no one will knows for sure until Solarwinds servers are examined. The reason they getting looked at is the big Government hack not Dominion. The whole "Solarwind/Dominion" thing at this point is a red hearing to distract from the forensic report on Antrim Co. MI dominion voting machines which did prove irregularities in the Dominion voting system in that County. Since Dominion machines are used in over 30 States it's a safe bet that, if examined, some of the other Dominion machines will show the same irregularities. Those irregularities may prove there was fraud. That's the real story.

And I posted above they found similar in NV and now machines are being subpoenaed in AZ...

 

[chipbennett]

Well, it prevents getting locked in and then a bombshell drops on Nov 1...

No one forced such a person to vote prior to November 1. Once you have voted, that's it; you've voted.

There are no "take backs" in voting. The reasons should be obvious.

 

[Ingomike]

This could go lost of places on this forum. Explains the increasing impact of the deep state.

It’s become the hidden force behind the coup of a duly elected president and the ongoing “complete transformation of America.”


And only by exposing it and bringing it out of the shadows, will it ever be stopped.

You see, on December 15[SUP]th[/SUP], 2015, six months after Donald J. Trump declared his candidacy for president and began to rise in the polls…


Former President Barack Obama signed what at the time, appeared to be an innocuous executive order.


However, Obama’s intentions were much more complex and sinister.
Because with that single executive order, Barack Obama launched an accelerated purge of thousands of American patriots from virtually every government agency — including our intelligence services and the military —while replacing them with party loyalists and political operatives loyal not to the country and the Constitution, but to him and his globalist and progressive-socialist agendas.


It was a purge of patriots and a takeover of government that began early on in his first term…


A purge that began by transforming an obscure federal agency hidden deep within the bowels of government, into what soon became a private, stay behind army.


https://stpaulresearch.com/2019/10/31/obamas-secret-stay-behind-army/

 

[T.Lex]

Quick note on the presentation of the EC votes to Congress - waiting for a meeting to start (late) I skimmed the relevant portions of the constitution and amendments. Looks like there's a requirement for 2/3 of the House/Senate for a quorum for the votes for POTUS/Veep. If that's the path that gets charted, the Dems could deprive the body of a quorum, casting further doubt on whatever is going to happen.

The provisions do speak of "member or members" from each state, but then the votes are by delegation. If a majority Dem delegation has a single GOP member show up, it isn't at all clear whether that would be a valid vote on behalf of the delegation.

Complexity abounds.

 

[Ingomike]

The guy certainly acts like a guy planning to be inaugurated in a few weeks, not a lame duck loser...


https://www.whitehouse.gov/presiden...-individuals-key-administration-posts-121420/

 

[Ingomike]

Quick note on the presentation of the EC votes to Congress - waiting for a meeting to start (late) I skimmed the relevant portions of the constitution and amendments. Looks like there's a requirement for 2/3 of the House/Senate for a quorum for the votes for POTUS/Veep. If that's the path that gets charted, the Dems could deprive the body of a quorum, casting further doubt on whatever is going to happen.

The provisions do speak of "member or members" from each state, but then the votes are by delegation. If a majority Dem delegation has a single GOP member show up, it isn't at all clear whether that would be a valid vote on behalf of the delegation.

Complexity abounds.

And if all that fails, does it fall the the house to elect the President each state one vote, and the senate to elect the VP?