The 2017 General Salma Hayek discussion thread...Part 3!!!

[Kutnupe14]

KUT
The difference is when you got the “head face” you stopped!
and I hope it wasn’t a Jerry Lee Lewis reenactment!

I get that. But I set a specific set of parameters....

tried to kiss a girl, grabbed her hips, pulled her close, and got the head face before

 

[printcraft]

My question still stands. Anybody care to answer it? Here, I'll make it easy. I've tried to kiss a girl, grabbed her hips, pulled her close, and got the head face before. Anybody else?

So if she says no and pulls away do you stick your tongue in her mouth anyhow?

 

[Kutnupe14]

So if she says no and pulls away do you stick your tongue in her mouth anyhow?

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Good lecture to give some 15 year old. I'm not sure you have a case here though.

Looked up the law and it's simple (misdemeanor) battery, Class B in Indiana, so, yup, it's illegal. See post #562. So, yeah, good advice for all who don't want to stand before a judge, 15 or not.

BTW, in her recounting, they agreed NOT TO KISS, to simply turn their heads so it looked like it, so it wasn't "only" unwanted, it was forced.

 

[printcraft]

I guess what I'm saying is that over my 50 years over 18, I've observed all sorts of behavior by men around women, with women, when talking about same, etc etc etc. There are some things I've said or ways that I acted when I was much younger that I would not do again, if given half a chance. None of those would rise to the level of a crime as I was brought up pretty well in a religious family with 6 sisters who didn't take grief from any boy or brother.

But I think I draw the line differently than you do. I consider intercourse by an adult on a young person to be an outrage and criminal. I don't necessarily see Franken's actions here as anything other than dumb. If he gets sued for it an loses in a civil trial...well, the chips have fallen where they may. But I'm not going to call for his resignation just as I didn't get all that upset when Wilbur Mills ended up in a fountain with Fannie whats-her-name, drunk out of his mind. Wilbur was about the most knowledgeable tax man that ever sat on Ways & Means and it would have been a shame to judge his career on that one act.

And that appears to be what this "Star Chamber" is doing today: judging a person's life work based on a single event. I think it stinks.

On the other hand, we all agree that Hillary's life work is awful and probably criminal at some level. Yet I give her a pass on Benghazi just like you don't.

I try not to judge others that I meet too harshly, yet it is easy to appear so on the internet. That's the nature of this beast.

I'm afraid I stand by Al Franken, just like I might have if it was Dick Cheney in a similar circumstance: I don't think it rises to the level of a crime.

Opinions differ.

So you are at the airport waiting for a delayed flight with your wife, she is napping next to you and al franken, who happens to be waiting for the same flight starts feeling up your wifes boobs.....

No crime?

 

[printcraft]

Did you at least give her a mint afterward?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Did you at least give her a mint afterward?

 

[indiucky]

Did you at least give her a mint afterward?

Kut told her he WAS the mint....

 

[printcraft]

Something stronger then?

 

[printcraft]

Kut told her he WAS the mint....

I wonder what "date" means then.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Something stronger then?

Lol

 

[indiucky]

That's his claim. The picture doesn't show a "mock" groping. Just a groping.

No woobie it appears he is owning up to it...That was just the DNC's media wing (MSNBC) covering for him...

 

[Kutnupe14]

Kut told her he WAS the mint....

Cool and refreshing... like a menthol, lol

 

[printcraft]

Cool and refreshing... like a menthol, lol

She was asking for it and loved it.

 

[Kutnupe14]

She was asking for it and loved it.

 

[Woobie]

Am talking about first kisses. I hope you don't get into fights with a chick, and then go in for a kiss to make up. lol

Well, not right away. But you've gotta know if you're good again

I married my sweetheart, so I only had a few first kisses. But they were never turned away

 

[Woobie]

No woobie it appears he is owning up to it...That was just the DNC's media wing (MSNBC) covering for him...

Whoops, misunderstood it, then. Thanks.

 

[Woobie]

Cool and refreshing... like a menthol, lol

lol

 

[Kutnupe14]

Well, not right away. But you've gotta know if you're good again

I married my sweetheart, so I only had a few first kisses. But they were never turned away

The point, I'm making, is that most guys have probably been denied a first kiss with a girl. They may have gotten the wrong impression but, it happens. Most people don't bend at the hip and kiss lip to lip like those cute kid pictures. They typically grab a gal by the hips, pull her close and try to plant on her. If she denies the kiss, it used to not be a big deal, other than bruised pride. NOW, though, it's arguable that such an instance may be construed as sexual assault. If a chick pops up years later, and says, you grabbed her, and tried to give her a unwanted kiss, she's telling the truth, though the dynamic of the time might be a mitigating circumstance, if she's out to burn your house down, she potentially can.

 

[Woobie]

I guess what I'm saying is that over my 50 years over 18, I've observed all sorts of behavior by men around women, with women, when talking about same, etc etc etc. There are some things I've said or ways that I acted when I was much younger that I would not do again, if given half a chance. None of those would rise to the level of a crime as I was brought up pretty well in a religious family with 6 sisters who didn't take grief from any boy or brother.

But I think I draw the line differently than you do. I consider intercourse by an adult on a young person to be an outrage and criminal. I don't necessarily see Franken's actions here as anything other than dumb. If he gets sued for it an loses in a civil trial...well, the chips have fallen where they may. But I'm not going to call for his resignation just as I didn't get all that upset when Wilbur Mills ended up in a fountain with Fannie whats-her-name, drunk out of his mind. Wilbur was about the most knowledgeable tax man that ever sat on Ways & Means and it would have been a shame to judge his career on that one act.

And that appears to be what this "Star Chamber" is doing today: judging a person's life work based on a single event. I think it stinks.

On the other hand, we all agree that Hillary's life work is awful and probably criminal at some level. Yet I give her a pass on Benghazi just like you don't.

I try not to judge others that I meet too harshly, yet it is easy to appear so on the internet. That's the nature of this beast.

I'm afraid I stand by Al Franken, just like I might have if it was Dick Cheney in a similar circumstance: I don't think it rises to the level of a crime.

Opinions differ.

Just because it used to be seen as silly behavior didn't make it right. I mean, heck, for the first few thousand years of recorded history people thought ownership of other humans was sound economic policy.

I really do agree that you can't judge a lifetime on an act. Everyone makes mistakes. But that doesn't preclude consequences. If Gandhi had murdered someone, we might point to a lifetime of good, but he would still have to answer for that single act. I don't know if Franken should resign. Probably not. But I hope he is punished for what he did. No woman deserves to be taken advantage of. And I have no sorrow for what he is experiencing right now. We don't need perverts running our government.

I guess we are figuring out how to shrink government. Get rid of all the pervs!