The 2017 General Political discussion thread, Part 2!

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Florida voters unregistering from fear of Trump voter-data panel?

Local elections officials trying to convince some registered voters to stay registered

Articles claiming folks are unregistering for voting due to "privacy concerns." Is that really the case, or is it prosecution concerns?

One of the talking heads reported 4500 have unregistered. That is only the one's they can track so far.

Funny how when you actually hold folks accountable that they mysteriously fall in line? Border crossings/illegal immigration down 76%...

 

[Kutnupe14]

Florida voters unregistering from fear of Trump voter-data panel?

Local elections officials trying to convince some registered voters to stay registered

Articles claiming folks are unregistering for voting due to "privacy concerns." Is that really the case, or is it prosecution concerns?

One of the talking heads reported 4500 have unregistered. That is only the one's they can track so far.

Funny how when you actually hold folks accountable that they mysteriously fall in line? Border crossings/illegal immigration down 76%...

You're clear that can't actually be reliably calculated, right? I think deportations, is a better thing to cite... which certainly is good.

 

[bwframe]

You're clear that can't actually be reliably calculated, right?...

Voter fraud? Right, that's what we are trying to fix.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Voter fraud? Right, that's what we are trying to fix.

Im actually more concerned with voter suppression. Like instances were a state passes ID laws, and then starts closing D/BMV branches.

 

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Im actually more concerned with voter suppression. Like instances were a state passes ID laws, and then starts closing D/BMV branches.

That's what the left says. Another reason why we won last November?

 

[jbombelli]

Im actually more concerned with voter suppression. Like instances were a state passes ID laws, and then starts closing D/BMV branches.

That's no more voter suppression than it is driver suppression. Or cigarette or beer suppression. Voting isn't the only thing IDs are used for. You'd have a point if they were Voter ID offices, specifically.

 

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Sen. John McCain diagnosed with brain tumor - CBS News

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Or, if you want to disqualify an entire precinct, just tear the ballot bag.

The torn bags did not "disqualify" the precinct, it meant that the original count for the precinct held, no recount allowed. And, if you think about it, that is as it should be... because during the day and during the original count, multiple representatives of both parties are present, making overt cheating difficult. Sometime after every one leaves and goes home, the bag gets torn or the seal broken... yeah, that should not be re-counted.

 

[Kutnupe14]

That's no more voter suppression than it is driver suppression. Or cigarette or beer suppression. Voting isn't the only thing IDs are used for. You'd have a point if they were Voter ID offices, specifically.

Well, there are certainly are more note worthy cases of widespread attempted voter suppression than voter fraud.

 

[jamil]

Well, there are certainly are more note worthy cases of widespread attempted voter suppression than voter fraud.

I'm not sure you can say that's a fact though. You have to assume some facts not in evidence to say either is widespread yet both sides insist it is. You catch Republicans colluding with each other to do those things for the purpose of voter suppression and then you have a case. Just like the other side has to find some credible evidence that voter fraud is widespread. I think both sides tend to stretch the extent of each accusation.

Some states which tried to implement voter ID have been slapped down by the courts, but I think it's mostly because they're southern states and they face more scrutiny. But I do agree that some of those states laws tended to suppress votes, but you have to infer that there was an intent to suppress votes to say it went that far.

Indiana's voter ID law was ruled constitutional. But Democrats still ***** about it. Makes me wonder why they fight it so hard, because it does tend to make it difficult to cheat, while not making it all that difficult for legitimate people to vote.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'm not sure you can say that's a fact though. You have to assume some facts not in evidence to say either is widespread yet both sides insist it is. You catch Republicans colluding with each other to do those things for the purpose of voter suppression and then you have a case. Just like the other side has to find some credible evidence that voter fraud is widespread. I think both sides tend to stretch the extent of each accusation.

Some states which tried to implement voter ID have been slapped down by the courts, but I think it's mostly because they're southern states and they face more scrutiny. But I do agree that some of those states laws tended to suppress votes, but you have to infer that there was an intent to suppress votes to say it went that far.

Indiana's voter ID law was ruled constitutional. But Democrats still ***** about it. Makes me wonder why they fight it so hard, because it does tend to make it difficult to cheat, while not making it all that difficult for legitimate people to vote.

When you have a state like North Carolina that almost has parity (in votes) between D's and R's, and yet the R's hold significantly more seats and a state voting map looks like a Picasso (nevermind the "interesting" laws passed) it's very difficult to come up with anything other than voter suppression.

 

[Kutnupe14]

And Trump throws Sessions under the bus... again. Why? To get people's focus off his kids? Sessions needs to quit. He's looking like a chump... not to mention he has some horrible ideas for the DoJ.

 

[bwframe]

It sounds as if McCain has a very rough road ahead.

 

[Kutnupe14]

It sounds as if McCain has a very rough road ahead.

More than likely, and at his age, it's had to have much optimism.

 

[bwframe]

Makes one wonder if McCain's brain condition wasn't a cause for his odd questioning of Comey at his hearing.

 

[jamil]

Makes one wonder if McCain's brain condition wasn't a cause for his odd questioning of Comey at his hearing.

That's what I was thinking when I heard he had a tumor. He sure didn't act like he had all his faculties then.

 

[jamil]

And Trump throws Sessions under the bus... again. Why? To get people's focus off his kids? Sessions needs to quit. He's looking like a chump... not to mention he has some horrible ideas for the DoJ.

Well, you kiss the ring of a bully and you invite getting bullied. I'd just as soon see Sessions go though. I am NOT happy about the asset seizure nonsense. But I suspect whoever Trump got to replace Sessions would just do the same thing.

 

[jbombelli]

And Trump throws Sessions under the bus... again. Why? To get people's focus off his kids? Sessions needs to quit. He's looking like a chump... not to mention he has some horrible ideas for the DoJ.

Yeah... I don't like Sessions. He should just go the **** away.

 

[jamil]

When you have a state like North Carolina that almost has parity (in votes) between D's and R's, and yet the R's hold significantly more seats and a state voting map looks like a Picasso (nevermind the "interesting" laws passed) it's very difficult to come up with anything other than voter suppression.

Well now you're talking about gerrymandering. And Dems do it too to some extent, but it's a favorite tactic of Republicans.

As far as districts go, I'd rather see them drawn such that it gives rural areas a bit more say. Especially in most states with one or two big cities, they end up having situations like Illinois where the whole state is mostly rural, but they all have to bow to Chicago politics.

 

[Dddrees]

And Trump throws Sessions under the bus... again. Why? To get people's focus off his kids? Sessions needs to quit. He's looking like a chump... not to mention he has some horrible ideas for the DoJ.

Well nothing inappropriate about Trumps statement there. LOL

Sorry but almost anybody willing to volunteer to work for Trump gets what they deserve.