The 2017 General Political discussion thread, Part 2!

[Kutnupe14]

As far as truckers and obstructed roadway. Doesn't the military have the manpower and tools to handle this? Would one be opposed to the military dropping in men and material, to drive those trucks and clear those roadways?

 

[jbombelli]

Doesn't PR have truck drivers and road equipment? That's already there?

 

[jamil]

As far as truckers and obstructed roadway. Doesn't the military have the manpower and tools to handle this? Would one be opposed to the military dropping in men and material, to drive those trucks and clear those roadways?

Isn’t it typically the National Guard which does this on US soil? Does PR have such a thing? Is there a precedent for using active duty military for humanitarian purposes in the US? I’m asking because I don’t know.

 

[jbombelli]

Doesn't PR have truck drivers and road equipment? That's already there?

I'm not averse to helping, as long as whoever I'm helping is at least making a realistic, good-faith effort to help me help them.

The situation in PR sucks. I get it. But as I said above, if you're going to sit at home and wait on others to help you, instead of stepping up and doing whatever you can, you get what you get.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I'm not averse to helping, as long as whoever I'm helping is at least making a realistic, good-faith effort to help me help them.

The situation in PR sucks. I get it. But as I said above, if you're going to sit at home and wait on others to help you, instead of stepping up and doing whatever you can, you get what you get.

So you think Puerto Ricans are simply being lazy? I don't see any other way to interpret that.

 

[printcraft]

Good Lord.

 

[Hawkeye]

Isn’t it typically the National Guard which does this on US soil? Does PR have such a thing? Is there a precedent for using active duty military for humanitarian purposes in the US? I’m asking because I don’t know.

Since you asked... Yes, they do.

https://state.nationalguard.com/puerto-rico

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico_National_Guard

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico_Army_National_Guard

 

[Hawkeye]

So you think Puerto Ricans are simply being lazy? I don't see any other way to interpret that.

Kut, quit being silly.

 

[jamil]

So you think Puerto Ricans are simply being lazy? I don't see any other way to interpret that.

It’s not laziness. If that is what’s happening I’d call it more a situation of conditioning. For an unrelated example. The kids who are conditioned in safe spaces. How likely are they to help themselves rather than thinking they should wait for someone to help them, because someone has always helped them. That’s not laziness. As much debt and given the socialist leaders they tend to elect, is it far fetched to wonder?

 

[printcraft]

Kut, quit being silly.

What do you mean by “silly”?
Is that some kind of homosexual slur? That’s the only way to interpret that statement, you homophobe.

 

[ultra...good]

Good Lord.

So, your saying that the lord is good?

 

[Hawkeye]

What do you mean by “silly”?
Is that some kind of homosexual slur? That’s the only way to interpret that statement, you homophobe.

Oh, you big hairy bear-boy!

 

[Kutnupe14]

Kut, quit being silly.

Ok, tell me the other way that "sitting at home waiting for others to help you" is interpreted.

 

[printcraft]

So, your saying that the lord is good?

All of them at once I suppose.

 

[ultra...good]

All of them at once I suppose.

Do you suppose it is all of them, or just at once?
ultra has his suspicions

 

[Kutnupe14]

It’s not laziness. If that is what’s happening I’d call it more a situation of conditioning. For an unrelated example. The kids who are conditioned in safe spaces. How likely are they to help themselves rather than thinking they should wait for someone to help them, because someone has always helped them. That’s not laziness. As much debt and given the socialist leaders they tend to elect, is it far fetched to wonder?

First, you're making this assumption about an island that has 3.5M American citizens. Secondly, we're talking about Puerto Rican truck drivers not driving trucks (for whatever you wish to believe). Given that the entire population of Puerto Rico isn't, I assume, truck drivers, then the inability of the the truck drivers to move goods affects the vast, non-truck driver populace. So, it would appear that because a fraction of the Puerto Rican population is unable to move these goods, it is acceptable for mainland Americans to critique the motivation of the entire island, and dismiss their needs because they aren't "helping themselves."

 

[ultra...good]

Ok, tell me the other way that "sitting at home waiting for others to help you" is interpreted.

Actually he wrote "sitting at home waiting on others" not for others.
ultra needed to clarify.

 

[jamil]

First, you're making this assumption about an island that has 3.5M American citizens. Secondly, we're talking about Puerto Rican truck drivers not driving trucks (for whatever you wish to believe). Given that the entire population of Puerto Rico isn't, I assume, truck drivers, then the inability of the the truck drivers to move goods affects the vast, non-truck driver populace. So, it would appear that because a fraction of the Puerto Rican population is unable to move these goods, it is acceptable for mainland Americans to critique the motivation of the entire island, and dismiss their needs because they aren't "helping themselves."

I thought you’re not talking about truck drivers. I thought we were talking about PR’s generally, not specifically truckers.

 

[jamil]

Actually he wrote "sitting at home waiting on others" not for others.
ultra needed to clarify.

That seems like a distinction without a difference to me.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I thought you’re not talking about truck drivers. I thought we were talking about PR’s generally, not specifically truckers.

Who said that? I said I didn't "bring up" truck drivers... meaning start a discussion headed in that direction, not that I was unwilling to speak about them.