The 2017 General Political discussion thread, Part 2!

[SheepDog4Life]

If she states "earlier in my college career..." what does one infer about "later?"

Kut (doesn't really expect a thoughtful response, but asks anyways)

That's a fair question, and she answers it, still in the Introduction portion:

These experiences have made it apparent to me that the path I have chosen to follow by attending Princeton will likely lead to my further integration and/or assimilation into a White cultural and social structure that will only allow me to remain on the periphery of society; never becoming a full participant. This realization has presently, made my goals to actively utilize my resources to benefit the Black community more desirable.

I read the "more desirable" as doubling down on the earlier statement now that she is nearing the end of her Senior year.

She then goes on to say that her four years at "predominately white" Princeton has her striving for many of the same goals as her white classmates, acceptance to a prestigious grad school and a high paying job at a successful corporation and, "So, my goals after Princeton are not as clear as before."

Why does she consider going to good schools, getting good high-paying jobs a "white thing", or as she puts it "White culture". Why is assimilating and integrating into what most people consider the "path to individual success" something that her makes her "remain at the periphery of society?" I would say it does the opposite.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into it, but she makes it sounds like pursuing the "American Dream" by it's surest path would somehow make her a "sell out."

And, all studies show that getting a college degree (I would add a good degree that helps you land a good job) is the surest way to the upper financial brackets. Why does she consider this solely the domain of "White culture?" It's plain reality.

 

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[Kutnupe14]

I'm being honest about that. To make the statement you did, I think you think my motivation is something other than it is. I don't know if you truly believe what you said or if you just can't bear the thought that your contempt is unjustified.

Fortunately for me, I don't have to observe what you this is or isn't justifiable.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Kut can sometimes be implacable.

Agreed

 

[Kutnupe14]

I would say that her behavior is indicative that 'later' is exactly the same as 'earlier' had been.



I am satisfied that it amounts to egalitarianism in insult. Most of has have been pretty hard on Michelle because her words and actions have established to our satisfaction that she deserves harsh criticism, and Kut is reciprocating on account of that as opposed to Melania having actually done anything to anyone other than doing her best to stay out of the spotlight.

Michelle Obama's opinion, considering her age, is hardly an outlier within the black community. Heck she falls right about in the middle. Melania literally has done porn, has been accused of prostitution by news services, and quite realistically may have been an illegal immigrant. I find it fascinating that the people supporting the party of "family values" can call one First Lady a "b*tch," but can't bring it upon themselves to call the other a "whore."
So im going to step in and give a little parity, at the very least to illustrate the massive hypocrisy.

 

[indiucky]

I find it fascinating that the people supporting the party of "family values" can call one First Lady a "b*tch," but can't bring it upon themselves to call the other a "whore."

I never called Michelle Obama a "b*tch" nor the current first lady a "whore"......I must be parity deficient....

 

[jamil]

Michelle Obama's opinion, considering her age, is hardly an outlier within the black community. Heck she falls right about in the middle. Melania literally has done porn, has been accused of prostitution by news services, and quite realistically may have been an illegal immigrant. I find it fascinating that the people supporting the party of "family values" can call one First Lady a "b*tch," but can't bring it upon themselves to call the other a "whore."
So im going to step in and give a little parity, at the very least to illustrate the massive hypocrisy.

This is one of the reasons I am suspicious of your motives. Rather than admit the gray areas that exist in all the things she's done or is accused of doing, you choose to make the hyperbolic labels. And it appears that you're doing it in retribution to the disrespect you think the other side has done to the Obamas.

I don't think Michelle is a *****, per se. I don't think Melania is a whore, per se. I do think Michelle is an ideologue, divisive, and is at least as racist as the average identitarian, whether black or white or brown or whatever. I don't think Melania is ideological at all. I think she's just a materialistic, attractive woman, who made the most of her assets to be successful. You could say that about almost any woman who marries a man of the caliber that can become president. Maybe you can call what she did metaphorically prostitution, but then you'll need to call every woman who uses her assets to attract men of high ability, metaphorically prostitutes. And if you believe that, and you're still single, think about what that implies.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Michelle Obama's opinion, considering her age, is hardly an outlier within the black community. Heck she falls right about in the middle. Melania literally has done porn, has been accused of prostitution by news services, and quite realistically may have been an illegal immigrant. I find it fascinating that the people supporting the party of "family values" can call one First Lady a "b*tch," but can't bring it upon themselves to call the other a "whore."
So im going to step in and give a little parity, at the very least to illustrate the massive hypocrisy.

Let's see...

Michelle Obama is only moderately racist and hostile to the republic by black community standards, so I should just accept this? Would you accept those people gathered under the auspices of Nazi or KKK groups in Charlottesville because none of them have done anything like members of the Bryant family?

Why is egalitarianism in criticism such an issue to you. The relevance to my life is the standard I am using. It doesn't really affect me if Melania strips on the White House lawn and screws billy goats. If she were busying herself influencing her husband with her own personal vitriol toward the republic and a large number of its citizens, that would be an entirely different matter, but she isn't doing that.

Why is it that you of all people have a difficult time with the notion of people changing their ways? After all, that is the substance of repentance which, according to your beliefs, you should understand clearly. I do not know the true spiritual condition of either of the two women, but when considered from the curbside view, I do not see Melania engaging in any of the activities attributed to her while Michelle seems to have doubled down on her racial views and on her contempt for the country and a solid majority of its people.

When it is all said and done, my person harsh feelings toward Michelle Obama are based solely upon her own choice to be hostile toward me and those like me, particularly those who feel loyalty toward the republic as it was founded rather than the third-world socialist crapper that some want to carve from it, and do not appreciate receiving a race-based nasty attitude over things we have never done. So, until you can demonstrate where Melania Trump has preemptively engaged in hostility directed toward me or any other citizens, I categorically refuse to accept your accusation of hypocrisy as anything but a bunch of crap.

 

[Alpo]

This is one of the reasons I am suspicious of your motives. Rather than admit the gray areas that exist in all the things she's done or is accused of doing, you choose to make the hyperbolic labels. And it appears that you're doing it in retribution to the disrespect you think the other side has done to the Obamas.

I don't think Michelle is a *****, per se. I don't think Melania is a whore, per se. I do think Michelle is an ideologue, divisive, and is at least as racist as the average identitarian, whether black or white or brown or whatever. I don't think Melania is ideological at all. I think she's just a materialistic, attractive woman, who made the most of her assets to be successful. You could say that about almost any woman who marries a man of the caliber that can become president. Maybe you can call what she did metaphorically prostitution, but then you'll need to call every woman who uses her assets to attract men of high ability, metaphorically prostitutes. And if you believe that, and you're still single, think about what that implies.

I'd be careful identifying those traits in others. Some might say that you need to look in the mirror. I wouldn't say that bro. I might say more, but I wouldn't say that. Ideology runs rampant on INGO.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I'd be careful identifying those traits in others. Some might say that you need to look in the mirror. I wouldn't say that bro. I might say more, but I wouldn't say that. Ideology runs rampant on INGO.

Huh...I see your point.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Let's see...

Michelle Obama is only moderately racist and hostile to the republic by black community standards, so I should just accept this? Would you accept those people gathered under the auspices of Nazi or KKK groups in Charlottesville because none of them have done anything like members of the Bryant family?

Why is egalitarianism in criticism such an issue to you. The relevance to my life is the standard I am using. It doesn't really affect me if Melania strips on the White House lawn and screws billy goats. If she were busying herself influencing her husband with her own personal vitriol toward the republic and a large number of its citizens, that would be an entirely different matter, but she isn't doing that.

Why is it that you of all people have a difficult time with the notion of people changing their ways? After all, that is the substance of repentance which, according to your beliefs, you should understand clearly. I do not know the true spiritual condition of either of the two women, but when considered from the curbside view, I do not see Melania engaging in any of the activities attributed to her while Michelle seems to have doubled down on her racial views and on her contempt for the country and a solid majority of its people.

When it is all said and done, my person harsh feelings toward Michelle Obama are based solely upon her own choice to be hostile toward me and those like me, particularly those who feel loyalty toward the republic as it was founded rather than the third-world socialist crapper that some want to carve from it, and do not appreciate receiving a race-based nasty attitude over things we have never done. So, until you can demonstrate where Melania Trump has preemptively engaged in hostility directed toward me or any other citizens, I categorically refuse to accept your accusation of hypocrisy as anything but a bunch of crap.

There goes that "racist" word again. You care to quantify that?...obviously other than the fact that she is simply black and disagrees with your political stance, that is.

 

[Kutnupe14]

This is one of the reasons I am suspicious of your motives. Rather than admit the gray areas that exist in all the things she's done or is accused of doing, you choose to make the hyperbolic labels. And it appears that you're doing it in retribution to the disrespect you think the other side has done to the Obamas.

I don't think Michelle is a *****, per se. I don't think Melania is a whore, per se. I do think Michelle is an ideologue, divisive, and is at least as racist as the average identitarian, whether black or white or brown or whatever. I don't think Melania is ideological at all. I think she's just a materialistic, attractive woman, who made the most of her assets to be successful. You could say that about almost any woman who marries a man of the caliber that can become president. Maybe you can call what she did metaphorically prostitution, but then you'll need to call every woman who uses her assets to attract men of high ability, metaphorically prostitutes. And if you believe that, and you're still single, think about what that implies.

Why do you care about my hyperbolic labels when you refuse to care about the others? What is it about my hyperbolic labels that's offends you so much, that now, you see the need to speak up? Shouldn't you just do as you've always done, when this stuff routinely surfaces? Nothing? You need not be suspicious about my motivations. They are obvious, becoming a standard INGO member, free to go on hyperbolic rants about persons and politics I don't like.

 

[2A_Tom]

Why do you care about my hyperbolic labels when you refuse to care about the others? What is it about my hyperbolic labels that's offends you so much, that now, you see the need to speak up? Shouldn't you just do as you've always done, when this stuff routinely surfaces? Nothing? You need not be suspicious about my motivations. They are obvious, becoming a standard INGO member, free to go on hyperbolic rants about persons and politics I don't like.

Kut, I just think it is below you.

I have not seen members express hatred for the Obamas. I have seen a lot and I myself have expressed disdain for his politics and their seemingly anti-American attitudes. I have seen some remark about her looks.

the attitude you have been displaying is vile and disheartening. I wish we could just move on.

 

[indiucky]

There goes that "racist" word again. You care to quantify that?

No need...It no longer has meaning...It used to but not anymore...

 

[HoughMade]

No need...It no longer has meaning...It used to but not anymore...

As Adam Carolla frequently says: "There's never been a better time to be an actual​ racist."

 

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[jamil]

Why do you care about my hyperbolic labels when you refuse to care about the others? What is it about my hyperbolic labels that's offends you so much, that now, you see the need to speak up? Shouldn't you just do as you've always done, when this stuff routinely surfaces? Nothing? You need not be suspicious about my motivations. They are obvious, becoming a standard INGO member, free to go on hyperbolic rants about persons and politics I don't like.

Why do you think I don't care about the hyperbole on the right? I've posted about that many times. Not in this particular context though. But anyway I'm certainly not going to care much about being judged for being insufficiently critical or insufficiency distancing myself from the left or the right. I'll call 'em like I see 'em when I feel like I have something to say. Inferring anything from my silence is not gonna work.

Oh. And I'm not offended at all about hyperbolic labels. I'm not taking it personally. But I am taking it as a datapoint into your motivation.

 

[IndyDave1776]

There goes that "racist" word again. You care to quantify that?...obviously other than the fact that she is simply black and disagrees with your political stance, that is.

You are certainly on a roll sticking your fingers in your ears and humming. If I were to have said the same words she committed to paper and sure as hell never even tried to distance herself from (as opposed to anyone right of center being expected to apologize on demand for everything he may have done in his youth or anyone from whom he is descended or not descended may have done) replacing 'black' with 'white', you would be insisting that I necessarily attended meetings once a month wearing my bed sheets.

 

[ghitch75]

these people are unhinged.....

Hurricane Irma takes aim at Trump's Mar-a-Lago, social media goes wild | Fox News

 

[SheepDog4Life]

these people are unhinged.....

Hurricane Irma takes aim at Trump's Mar-a-Lago, social media goes wild | Fox News

Berserk even... but consistently berserk... anything that harms Trump, at any cost, is just great!

But, that worm is turning and the folks in the middle are seeing how stark, raving mad (the crazy kind in addition to the angry kind) these people are.

ETA: Miami-Dade orders 650,000 to evacuate... but if it messes up one of Trump's umpteen golf courses, then hooray! Douche-bags.