The 2017 General Political discussion thread, Part 2!

[jamil]

No, but I'm certainly more honest... mainly because I look stuff up for myself, rather than simply parroting talking points.

We disagree on that. But anyway, please go on to explain "exporting world views" and describe how that has negatively impacted you.

 

[Birds Away]

Actually, when you make bad assumptions or try to export your worldview on someone else, it's your problem. No one is bound to see America through the lens of the certain kinds of people who have issues with the a difference of opinions of others.

Antifa?

 

[KLB]

Trump sides with the Democrats on a three month debt ceiling extension. That puts the next extension needed just before the holidays.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...on-democrats-debt-limit-and-harvey-funds-plan

 

[jamil]

Antifa?

Well, that would be an example of malicious exporting a world view. Of course I'm waiting for Kut's numerous examples of INGO's homogeneous, malicious idea exporting.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Well, that would be an example of malicious exporting a world view. Of course I'm waiting for Kut's numerous examples of INGO's homogeneous, malicious idea exporting.

Keep waiting. And I suggest you not hold your breath, if you expect me to explain something you (and others) already know, but purposely fail to acknowledge.

 

[2A_Tom]

If Jeremiah Wright exported his worldviews onto me for years...and years...I guess I might not have much to be proud of, either...lolz

If you listened to him for years and years...

 

[jamil]

That's a copout Kut.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Actually, when you make bad assumptions or try to export your worldview on someone else, it's your problem. No one is bound to see America through the lens of the certain kinds of people who have issues with the a difference of opinions of others.

I never really dug into Michelle much as her "first time... proud" statement pretty much summed it up for me. But just starting to read her thesis, in the introductory section, these two statements ARE IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH, one begins the paragraph, the other ends it:

Earlier in my college career, there was no doubt in my mind that as a member of the Black community I was somehow obligated to this community and would utilize all of my present and future resources to benefit this community first and foremost.

- and -

... I sometimes feel like a visitor on campus; as if I really don't belong. Regardless of the circumstances under which I interact with Whites at Princeton, it often seems as if, to them, I will always be Black first and a student second."

Do you see the cognitive dissonance between the two statements? She self-identifies as Black, and with the Black community, "first and foremost". Her words. But, then, there is something wrong with White Princeton for seeing her as "Black first?" Perhaps if she, herself, didn't walk around identifying as "Black first" and everything else second? Maybe it would be the same, then it would be on them... but not when she is the one who puts it out there from the outset.

 

[jamil]

If you listened to him for years and years...

Probably involves more than just hearing. You'd think it'd be hard to hear with your head up your ass, which seems would need to be the case put yourself in proximity to that nonsense.

 

[Kutnupe14]

I never really dug into Michelle much as her "first time... proud" statement pretty much summed it up for me. But just starting to read her thesis, in the introductory section, these two statements ARE IN THE SAME PARAGRAPH, one begins the paragraph, the other ends it:

- and -

Do you see the cognitive dissonance between the two statements? She self-identifies as Black, and with the Black community, "first and foremost". Her words. But, then, there is something wrong with White Princeton for seeing her as "Black first?" Perhaps if she, herself, didn't walk around identifying as "Black first" and everything else second? Maybe it would be the same, then it would be on them... but not when she is the one who puts it out there from the outset.

If she states "earlier in my college career..." what does one infer about "later?"

Kut (doesn't really expect a thoughtful response, but asks anyways)

 

[Kutnupe14]

That's a copout Kut.

To you, but certainly not to me.

 

[2A_Tom]

I know, I know, don't bring up Christianity, but for years I went Soul-winning in South Chicago near 115th St and Michigan Ave.

There two large predominantly black churches close by House of Hope, Pastored by James Meeks and Trinity United Church of Christ, Pastored by Jeremiah Wright. Having hundreds of members from both churches I can state that Pastor Meeks people mostly had a healthy understanding of Bible Salvation, whereas people who purported to go to Pastor Wrights Church had very little or no Bible understanding.

 

[jamil]

If she states "earlier in my college career..." what does one infer about "later?"

Kut (doesn't really expect a thoughtful response, but asks anyways)

I think no matter the thought put into the response, you'll likely not find it "thoughtful" if you don't like it. That's just an observance of patterns.

Anyway, what does her recent statements imply about now?

What this kerfuffle looks like to me, people traded barbs on people's goddesses, (I'm not saying I view Milania Trump that way. She's just a first lady. That's all.) and one got more pissed than others. But anyway, this isn't really about Mrs Trump or Mrs Obama. I know Michelle isn't a man just like you know Milania isn't a porn star. But, Michelle is a progressive ideologue who pretty evenly fits that mold on all sides. That's demonstrable. That's why I don't care for her, or Obama. Your distaste for Mrs Trump can't be ideological. She's really not ideological at all. It seems personal.

 

[jamil]

To you, but certainly not to me.

I'm being honest about that. To make the statement you did, I think you think my motivation is something other than it is. I don't know if you truly believe what you said or if you just can't bear the thought that your contempt is unjustified.

 

[indiucky]

If I was "on it" I wouldn't have time for INGO

If I ever had the opportunity to be "on it" I am certain I would be back on INGO in five minutes...

"Sorry about that Salma and no those are not tears of joy on your belly..."

 

[2A_Tom]

Kut can sometimes be implacable.

 

[IndyDave1776]

If she states "earlier in my college career..." what does one infer about "later?"

Kut (doesn't really expect a thoughtful response, but asks anyways)

I would say that her behavior is indicative that 'later' is exactly the same as 'earlier' had been.

What this kerfuffle looks like to me, people traded barbs on people's goddesses, (I'm not saying I view Milania Trump that way. She's just a first lady. That's all.) and one got more pissed than others. But anyway, this isn't really about Mrs Trump or Mrs Obama. I know Michelle isn't a man just like you know Milania isn't a porn star. But, Michelle is a progressive ideologue who pretty evenly fits that mold on all sides. That's demonstrable. That's why I don't care for her, or Obama. Your distaste for Mrs Trump can't be ideological. She's really not ideological at all. It seems personal.

I am satisfied that it amounts to egalitarianism in insult. Most of has have been pretty hard on Michelle because her words and actions have established to our satisfaction that she deserves harsh criticism, and Kut is reciprocating on account of that as opposed to Melania having actually done anything to anyone other than doing her best to stay out of the spotlight.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

If she states "earlier in my college career..." what does one infer about "later?"

Kut (doesn't really expect a thoughtful response, but asks anyways)

Does Trump's wife get the same sort of consideration?

 

[indiucky]

I know Michelle isn't a man just like you know Melania isn't a porn star. But, Michelle is a progressive ideologue who pretty evenly fits that mold on all sides. That's demonstrable. That's why I don't care for her, or Obama. Your distaste for Mrs Trump can't be ideological. She's really not ideological at all. It seems personal.

These past few days I saw a side of Trump that I never thought I would see and a side of Kut I never thought I would see......

 

[indiucky]

Kut (doesn't really expect a thoughtful response, but asks anyways)

You wouldn't post or debate if you didn't expect thoughtful responses from the folks here on INGO.

Now tell me that's not a "thoughtful response..."