Tent City in Bloomington residential neighborhood disturbing

[tyler34]

picked up the hippy times on a whim today when the front page was about this issue. they have quotes from 4 "residents" and boy are they touching until you read under the quote and one is on parole for burglary and the other is a drug addict.(the other two didn't say much) so that certainly lends credence to the safety issues. an interesting tid bit about the whole city vs. county debate is that it is indeed outside of city limits but is an area "intended for annexation" and thus is subject to city planning and zoning control. and according to a volunteer who ran their names through the sex offender database says no one is a registered sex offender.

 

[Libertarian01]

To All,

Here's some of your evil, druggie, homeless for you:

Homeless good Samaritan left to die on NYC street - Yahoo! News

Maybe you want to consider that every human being has more than one tale to tell and stop presuming who the homeless are.

Maybe the real question is, "Who are we???"

Regards,

Doug

 

[Jack Ryan]

picked up the hippy times on a whim today when the front page was about this issue. they have quotes from 4 "residents" and boy are they touching until you read under the quote and one is on parole for burglary and the other is a drug addict.(the other two didn't say much) so that certainly lends credence to the safety issues. an interesting tid bit about the whole city vs. county debate is that it is indeed outside of city limits but is an area "intended for annexation" and thus is subject to city planning and zoning control. and according to a volunteer who ran their names through the sex offender database says no one is a registered sex offender.

Yep, I read it to, I'm with you on it.

 

[Ogre]

Yup. We always say that instead of people trying to get the government to help, instead of taking money from us to give to others, that they do so themselves if they feel so strongly about it.

Well, that's what this guy is doing, on his dime and on his land. Putting his money where his mouth is. And now, in liberal Bloomington, people are trying to control his land, tell him what he can do with it, and get rid of those people the libs say we are supposed to be so willing to help. Reckon they are only committed to helping others so long as it doesn't make them uncomfortable, or disturb their country club.

, and rep'd

 

[longbow]

Im going to open a survival tent city at my place....Who wants to come?.

The locals would freak if they knew all the tent city residents are armed.......

 

[r.o.b.o.]

Didn't read all of the posts but I would love to how some of you who are supporting this felt if you had kids living next door to this. Of course there are some homeless people who don't want to live on the streets but the vast majority have gotten themselves into it and want to be on the streets because they can do whatever they want all day, have and continue to abuse drugs and alcohol, raped, murdered, robbed, etc. Don't get me wrong there are a few who are good people but honestly you want them next door?

 

[libertybear]

1 in 4 homeless are military vets (#'s from 2007) Think about that for just a minute. What have you done to help those that have served our country and are now down and out. The Fed is not going to help them even if they wanted to.

Proverbs 14:20:
The poor is hated even of his own neighbour: but the rich hath many friends.
Proverbs 14:21:
He that despiseth his neighbour sinneth: but he that hath mercy on the poor, happy is he.

I have worked with and helped homeless people in the past and no I'm not a bleeding heart I just think it is up to Americans to help America. It is your duty. It's better than the gov "trying" to help.

And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the Lord your God.
(Leviticus 23:22, KJV)

And if thy brother be waxen poor, and fallen in decay with thee; then thou shalt relieve him: yea, though he be a stranger, or a sojourner; that he may live with thee.
(Leviticus 25:35, KJV)

If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother:
(Deuteronomy 15:7, KJV)

Psalms 41:1:
Blessed is he that considereth the poor: the Lord will deliver him in time of trouble.

Proverbs 28:27:
He that giveth unto the poor shall not lack: but he that hideth his eyes shall have many a curse.

This is his place worry more about what goes on in your place. Most of you are hypocrites and some of your comments make me sick. If you think that the homeless like being homeless and that they are all criminals then that shows to me just how involved you are. I challenge you to travel our great country and meet these hardened criminals for your self. Yes there may be some that are bad eggs but I would wager most of your bad eggs are not homeless but rather well to do and blend right in with everyone else.

I too may be joining them soon I have been out of work for 4 months now I tried to put back enough to make it 6 months but I am now out of money and still no work. Before you tell me to lower my standards I will say this I have been turned down for jobs because I am "over qualified" I do not receive any government assistance and will not. I do what I can hauling peoples junk away, selling off my property and doing odd labor jobs for cash and what not just to keep the lights on and the water flowing but its a far cry from the 55,000 a year that my family is used to and does not even come close to paying the mortgage. I am current right now but if I don't get a job soon I will be out of my house they will go 4 months with no payment before they start foreclosure.

God will never put more on me than I can handle and right now I can't believe jsut how strong God thinks I am but thats a whole other thread.

I Samuel 2:7:
The Lord maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.

I first thought INGO was full of people like me but I now realise the truth. Most of you seem to have an outward appearance of good American but underneath some of you are... (you know in your heart what you are)


Bow down thine ear, O Lord, hear me: for I am poor and needy.

 

[closer]

I recall when this happened in Dunn Meadow sometime back and the city came in and moved them out. How is it that the socialist government of Bloomington hasn't addressed this issue?

 

[JBusch8899]

THIS. If I had any more rep, I'd send some your way. Hopefully I catch this thread on another day and remind myself.

I took care of it.

 

[JBusch8899]

"But when you give a banquet invite the poor, the crippled, the lame, and the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you, for you will be repaid at the resurrection of those in a right relationship with God." Luke 14, 12-14

Such statements of our Lord and Savior, direct us to help those less fortunate.

However, nowhere in the scriptures do I see that a person shouldn't protect or defend himself from the ilk of society, meaning the criminal. But are all the homeless, by definition, then criminal?

There are those that are homeless, poor, handicapped, et al; that will take advantage of those helping them, to include attempting to victimize those whom are helping them. Though that doesn't mean we shouldn't help the downtrodden? It means that we should exercise a bit of sense for our own protection.

Not everyone either, is enabled by a homeless shelter. Some individuals, especially in current economic times and despite their best efforts, are upon legitimate hard times. Yeah, there will always be those people looking to scam the system of handouts. Everyone should look in the mirror and determine if they have ever committed some act to get something for themselves, free of charge.

A homeless shelter is no Holiday Inn. This guy's tent city is more than likely, no different. People who are required to come hat-in-hand, forced to sacrifice their pride, just for someplace to sleep; or even for a bit of food that the prisoners in county lockup would receive better, are certainly not living the free life of a king. Losing one's self respect and forced to endure such humiliation, is contrary to human standards.

Any schmuck who would think to deny this man to help his brother, deserves to spend some time as one of those that he espouses. I would speculate that an attitude change would occur, post haste.

 

[Protest]

1 in 4 homeless are military vets (#'s from 2007) Think about that for just a minute. What have you done to help those that have served our country and are now down and out. The Fed is not going to help them even if they wanted to.

I have worked with and helped homeless people in the past and no I'm not a bleeding heart I just think it is up to Americans to help America. It is your duty. It's better than the gov "trying" to help.

This is his place worry more about what goes on in your place. Most of you are hypocrites and some of your comments make me sick. If you think that the homeless like being homeless and that they are all criminals then that shows to me just how involved you are. I challenge you to travel our great country and meet these hardened criminals for your self. Yes there may be some that are bad eggs but I would wager most of your bad eggs are not homeless but rather well to do and blend right in with everyone else.

I too may be joining them soon I have been out of work for 4 months now I tried to put back enough to make it 6 months but I am now out of money and still no work. Before you tell me to lower my standards I will say this I have been turned down for jobs because I am "over qualified" I do not receive any government assistance and will not. I do what I can hauling peoples junk away, selling off my property and doing odd labor jobs for cash and what not just to keep the lights on and the water flowing but its a far cry from the 55,000 a year that my family is used to and does not even come close to paying the mortgage. I am current right now but if I don't get a job soon I will be out of my house they will go 4 months with no payment before they start foreclosure.

God will never put more on me than I can handle and right now I can't believe jsut how strong God thinks I am but thats a whole other thread.

I first thought INGO was full of people like me but I now realise the truth. Most of you seem to have an outward appearance of good American but underneath some of you are... (you know in your heart what you are)


Bow down thine ear, O Lord, hear me: for I am poor and needy.

And yet the Bible also teaches us in Mark 14:7 "For you have the poor with you always, and whenever you wish you may do them good; but Me you do not have always." Jesus teaches that we may do them good whenever we wish. However, charity without accountability is foolishness. To indiscriminately help people who have no desire to help themselves is an insult and an injury to them. They need to rise up and help themselves.

God's Word also states in Second Thessalonians 3:10-14 "For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread. But [as for] you, brethren, do not grow weary [in] doing good. And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed."

Are those in this world who are truly poor due to recent tragedy? Yes! Are there those in this world who are truly poor because of major illness and they are not able to take care of themselves nor do they have family who can or will take care of them? Absolutely! Should we help them? Absolutely! But, again, as I said earlier, to indiscriminately help those who are lazy and ride on the backs of the industrious without accountability is insult and injury to them.

 

[libertybear]

If anything Mark 14:7 reinforces my point. Secondly I believe you have misquoted the scripture. That is not Timothy but rather the second epistle of Thessalonians, The second epistle to the Thessalonians was written from Athens by Paul and sent to the church.

The first epistle had been written in response to news brought back by Timothy encouraging their steadfastness in the face of persecution, Paul exhorted then to holiness in view of the Lord's coming. The second letter was written due to a misunderstanding in the church of the coming of Christ. Some of the members had been given false reports and some others had stoped working assuming that the Lord's imminent coming meant that one did not need to work any longer. So you see the second epistle was written to encourage the church as they were under persecution and to correct the misunderstanding about the Lord's coming and to instruct them on discipline for those that refused to work on the basis that the Lord's return was imminent.

Not only do I think that this letter does not apply here I also believe it was adopted by the socialist. He who does not work, neither shall he eat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There is a lot of assuming going on around here about ones willingness to work. As I stated before I have first hand experience with homeless and they are not all bad people most do want to work and have a regular life. I know it's hard to see that and to understand the complexities that are involved with a homeless person actually obtaining a job. Let me remind you I can't get a job right now and I do have an address to put down on my applications and I do have a valid drivers licence and do own reliable transportation as well I have a place to shower and change my clothes after each days work. Just imagine trying to get and hold a job without all those things.

 

[Protest]

If anything Mark 14:7 reinforces my point. Secondly I believe you have misquoted the scripture. That is not Timothy but rather the second epistle of Thessalonians, The second epistle to the Thessalonians was written from Athens by Paul and sent to the church.

Thanks for the correction. That was an accident on my part. I preach on Paul's letters all the time and for some reason, that slipped.

The first epistle had been written in response to news brought back by Timothy encouraging their steadfastness in the face of persecution, Paul exhorted then to holiness in view of the Lord's coming. The second letter was written due to a misunderstanding in the church of the coming of Christ. Some of the members had been given false reports and some others had stoped working assuming that the Lord's imminent coming meant that one did not need to work any longer. So you see the second epistle was written to encourage the church as they were under persecution and to correct the misunderstanding about the Lord's coming and to instruct them on discipline for those that refused to work on the basis that the Lord's return was imminent.

Not only do I think that this letter does not apply here I also believe it was adopted by the socialist. He who does not work, neither shall he eat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I agree with your understanding of the day. There were some who thought they had missed the rapture and others who had given up. But, the point still stands that if someone doesn't work, they won't eat. Everybody must do their part if they want to partake. I don't care who's adopted it, whether they be socialist or not, because people misapply Scripture all the time.

There is a lot of assuming going on around here about ones willingness to work. As I stated before I have first hand experience with homeless and they are not all bad people most do want to work and have a regular life. I know it's hard to see that and to understand the complexities that are involved with a homeless person actually obtaining a job. Let me remind you I can't get a job right now and I do have an address to put down on my applications and I do have a valid drivers licence and do own reliable transportation as well I have a place to shower and change my clothes after each days work. Just imagine trying to get and hold a job without all those things.

I've worked and dealt with homeless at various points in my life. Been to the shelters, been to the streets, sharing the gospel, feeding people and clothing people. The thing I see the most is pride. Many folks I've met who are homeless or nearly homeless won't take even the most simple jobs because they believe they are better than that.

 

[Protest]

libertybear, have you applied at McDonald's, Burger King, Starbucks or any other fast food place? They're hiring! Get two jobs if you need to and work day and evening and start moving up the chain.

 

[libertybear]

libertybear, have you applied at McDonald's, Burger King, Starbucks or any other fast food place? They're hiring! Get two jobs if you need to and work day and evening and start moving up the chain.

Yes actually jobs at that pay grade are specifically the ones that will turn you down for being "overqualified" I do what I can and think that even if I were to be hired at a job with such a pay grade it may not be worth it. I am not employed but like I said before I do what I can to bring in what I can it's just not enough to pay all of my bills. I think I brought in around $450 bucks this week not so sure I could do that at Burgerworld. Some weeks are better than others but my lights are on water flows and there is food in the fridge.

 

[Protest]

Totally agree that things can be tough out there. I support a family of 9 on less than $30,000/yr.

 

[JBusch8899]

Totally agree that things can be tough out there. I support a family of 9 on less than $30,000/yr.

What is your occupation? Do you have any other skills that you could utilize to supplement your income?

Nine? on $30K? Wow!

 

[360]

Totally agree that things can be tough out there. I support a family of 9 on less than $30,000/yr.

How in the world can you afford guns and ammo?

 

[Protest]

What is your occupation? Do you have any other skills that you could utilize to supplement your income?

Nine? on $30K? Wow!

I work for an Internet Service Provider. We don't have credit cards or car payments, have one vehicle, and we live on cash so we have very little outgo. I work from home so don't have a lot of day to day expenses. We don't have a lot of savings, but we're happy and content.

How in the world can you afford guns and ammo?

I don't. Only have two handguns, one was a gift. Haven't been shooting yet because I don't have my LTCH. When I'm able to go shooting on a regular basis, I'll make room for the ammo cost in the budget.

 

[Jack Ryan]

How in the world can you afford guns and ammo?

Funny how times are tuff but people still have money to throw away and waste if it's something they WANT to do. Guns, ammo, cigs, alcohol, no one NEEDS any of those to survive in this country.