Tent City in Bloomington residential neighborhood disturbing

[Jack Ryan]

I'm not speaking of an expensive toy.

Go to NYC, LA, and Chicago. Ask the people there about police response and their inability to protect themselves.

My argument was referring to protecting ones self, so that one can support his family. I'm speaking of having the means to protecting one's family.

If you believe that only a cop, or a guard, or a criminal are the only ones that may require a firearm for protection.........You are as bad as Bloomberg, Clinton, Pelosi, and the rest of that ilk.

Hooked on Phonics is your friend.

Unless you are a cop, a bank guard or a bank robber you don't need a gun to feed your self and your family. Any one dodging the debt they volunteered for needs to settle up not throw money away playing with guns, smoking cigs, or boozing.

 

[JBusch8899]

Hooked on Phonics is your friend.

As you prefer to engage in an ad hom attack, I'll presume that you don't have a rationale argument to present.

 

[Ogre]

How would this be "none of their business"? A public park they pay for with their tax money in a community they support financially is taken over by low life dead beat bums, drug addicts, drunks and convicts and some how it's "none of their business"?

The mayor seems to have decided it is their business as the big move has been quashed.

I was talking about the tents on private prooperty, that is none of their business.

 

[longbow]

I helped correct this issue and then got banned!

 

[longbow]

Should we have another tent city at my place? camping-fires-shooting-conversation-sharing ideas?

I don't think anyone would care around my place.....

 

[Goosepond Monster]

I recall when this happened in Dunn Meadow sometime back and the city came in and moved them out. How is it that the socialist government of Bloomington hasn't addressed this issue?

That was a 'group' who were in opposition of the military being in Afghanistan and then Iraq. It turns out that there was eventually only one person there amongst all of the tents.

 

[Goosepond Monster]

So, aside from any WWJD argument, how about the fact this guy has broken no laws, is making his own decision to allow them to stay, and until this point the people he is helping have not harmed any neighbors or their property... Until these people do something that would make him responsible, I'd tell those who are uncomfortable with this to pound sand. This is a free country (debateable, I suppose), and it's his property, he can do as he wishes...

Technically he did. It was determined he was operating a homeless shelter in his backyard and that was against the zoning laws of his particular neighborhood.

As for the old switch yard, I have driven back there a couple of times and it already has a fairly large group of homeless people camping in various spots. The old switch yard has around 27 total acres and a fair amount of that wooded, so the folks have plenty of places to hide.

 

[Fletch]

Technically he did. It was determined he was operating a homeless shelter in his backyard and that was against the zoning laws of his particular neighborhood.

Upthread, it was stated that his house is not actually in Bloomington... so this confuses me. Not that zoning laws make a hell of a lot of sense to me, either.

 

[Goosepond Monster]

Upthread, it was stated that his house is not actually in Bloomington... so this confuses me. Not that zoning laws make a hell of a lot of sense to me, either.

I mentioned this previously that his house is outside of the city limits, but is in the City's planning jurisdiction.

 

[Fletch]

I mentioned this previously that his house is outside of the city limits, but is in the City's planning jurisdiction.

OK, whatever that means. I revert to my first answer: His land, his business.

 

[Goosepond Monster]

OK, whatever that means. I revert to my first answer: His land, his business.

Accept when he bought his land he agreed to certain covenants and restrictions that came along with the zoning rules of the area in which he lives.

 

[Fletch]

Accept when he bought his land he agreed to certain covenants and restrictions that came along with the zoning rules of the area in which he lives.

If he signed a contract agreeing to same, I can see your point. If not, I'm not particularly motivated to care.

 

[Jack Ryan]

As you prefer to engage in an ad hom attack, I'll presume that you don't have a rationale argument to present.

How can I argue with some one who can't read and understand the language?

I said,

"Unless you are a cop, a bank guard or a bank robber you don't need a gun to feed your self and your family."

You responded with,

"My argument was referring to protecting ones self, so that one can support his family. I'm speaking of having the means to protecting one's family.

If you believe that only a cop, or a guard, or a criminal are the only ones that may require a firearm for protection.........You are as bad as Bloomberg, Clinton, Pelosi, and the rest of that ilk."

It's a fact, unless you need a gun to perform a service society is willing to pay for, you don't need a gun to feed your family in this country. You don't like it so you answer some statement you make up in your own mind to fit what you want to say.

 

[JBusch8899]

How can I argue with some one who can't read and understand the language?

It's a fact, unless you need a gun to perform a service society is willing to pay for, you don't need a gun to feed your family in this country (emphasis added). You don't like it so you answer some statement you make up in your own mind to fit what you want to say.

Yes, how can one argue with someone who can't read and understand the language?

This is what I said:

......My argument was referring to protecting ones self, so that one can support his family......

It's a fact, unless one is alive, one can't support or otherwise feed their family in this country, or anywhere else for that matter. There is a pervasive criminal element in this world, that occasionally the average citizen requires to protect himself against.

As you didn't agree with my answer, you create something yourself, in an attempt to fit what you wanted to say.

Your rhetoric is every bit as bad as the liberal propaganda of the antis that are attempting to disarm the population.

 

[Archaic_Entity]

I mentioned this previously that his house is outside of the city limits, but is in the City's planning jurisdiction.

People keep saying this, and it's confusing to me.

How is it that he falls under the jurisdiction of Bloomington's Planning? So... Bloomington plans to annex his neighborhood, so they get to take it over beforehand to make sure it's what they want?

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Furthermore, if he was living there before it was a 'planning zone' or whatever, and BTown just decides to annex it, does he have any say or is he just suddenly subject to the whims of the town?

I honestly don't get it. And, like Fletch said, zoning laws don't make much sense to me either.

 

[JBusch8899]

People keep saying this, and it's confusing to me.

How is it that he falls under the jurisdiction of Bloomington's Planning? So... Bloomington plans to annex his neighborhood, so they get to take it over beforehand to make sure it's what they want?

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Furthermore, if he was living there before it was a 'planning zone' or whatever, and BTown just decides to annex it, does he have any say or is he just suddenly subject to the whims of the town?

I honestly don't get it. And, like Fletch said, zoning laws don't make much sense to me either.

Planning is quite necessary for a city to operate, as well as provide services outside the city.

There are many agencies which "plan". Very often, people who live outside of the city proper, utilize sewer and water services, operated by the very city that one lives outside. Such services require detailed information for it's operations, to not overextend their capabilities.

In order to be annexed, Indiana state law has a rigorous process, ending with a simple majority vote of population affected by the annexation. Sometimes it can result in problems, as what is occurring in Johnson County, between Greenwood and Bargersville.

Zoning is an end result of planning, but is very different. Zoning in this instance is not decided by the city of Bloomington, but the township and/or county. Simply put, zoning decides which and what type of structures/businesses/residences/etc. can be located where, based upon the planning previously performed.

So long as the homeowner violates no zoning or health ordinances, he is free to continue to allow the homeless to temporarily house in his yard.

 

[Goosepond Monster]

People keep saying this, and it's confusing to me.

How is it that he falls under the jurisdiction of Bloomington's Planning? So... Bloomington plans to annex his neighborhood, so they get to take it over beforehand to make sure it's what they want?

That doesn't make a lick of sense.

Furthermore, if he was living there before it was a 'planning zone' or whatever, and BTown just decides to annex it, does he have any say or is he just suddenly subject to the whims of the town?

I honestly don't get it. And, like Fletch said, zoning laws don't make much sense to me either.

Basically it is an area intended for annexation. Typically when these areas are developed it is under control of the City, but once the development is done it is turned over to the County in terms of snow removal, street maintenance and the like. I believe that taxes go to the County, but the property has to abide by the City's rules when it comes to zoning and such.

 

[djl02]

I wasn't aware that property rights required a minimum size.

They do in my neighborhood.But I know the regulations when I signed the agreement.

 

[Eddie]

That was a 'group' who were in opposition of the military being in Afghanistan and then Iraq. It turns out that there was eventually only one person there amongst all of the tents.

That was something that I was thinking about while reading this thread. There is always somebody in Bloomington protesting something. There were tent cities back in the eighties being raised to protest all kinds of different stuff. There were gay male kiss ins on the steps of Ballantine Hall and Drums for Peace beating in front of the police station to protest the first gulf war. There were marches and candelight vigils and sit ins and people with signs and slogans all over the place. One guy putting homeless people in his back yard seems kind of tame for Bloomington.

 

[Goosepond Monster]

That was something that I was thinking about while reading this thread. There is always somebody in Bloomington protesting something. There were tent cities back in the eighties being raised to protest all kinds of different stuff. There were gay male kiss ins on the steps of Ballantine Hall and Drums for Peace beating in front of the police station to protest the first gulf war. There were marches and candelight vigils and sit ins and people with signs and slogans all over the place. One guy putting homeless people in his back yard seems kind of tame for Bloomington.

There is an anti-war protest at the Courthouse every week, Wednesday I think and there is at least one day during the week that there are people protesting in front of the Planned Parenthood.