Syrian Refugees

[308jake]

Forgot one....How do you like your soda?

 

[Arthur Dent]

Why do you want them here? Are you willing to take them into your home and provide for them? Why do you expect me to support them? Do you not think we have enough of our own issues without burdening ourselves with more? Do you give to charities that help our citizens? Do you do more than throw a few coins in the Salvation Army jar? How do YOU tell the differentiate between a refugee and a terrorist? Would you run away to another country if America was like Syria? Are you a runner or a fighter?

They can come here and provide for themselves. Just like anyone else. Your questions are pure strawman.

 

[308jake]

They can come here and provide for themselves. Just like anyone else. Your questions are pure strawman.

Oh ok. You're lack of answers is typical libtardism.

 

[308jake]

Glad to know you're just the idea man and not willing to put any skin in the game.

 

[jamil]

Go read the contents of post #749. You probably skipped it because it's long.

I read it. Looks a lot like any government bureaucracy. A lot of busy working happnin' but not much getting accomplished. Are they terrorists or not? Odds are, not. But dare we ask the right questions, and is it possible to even know the truth about that. Do they support Daesh?

 

[actaeon277]

Never mentioned your reading skills, just that it may have been too long a post for you to bother with. Go back and read it, learn something.

Ok. I re-read it. Still looks the same to me. Still looks like maybe you haven't dealt with human nature, or government agencies when things come down from above.
If you think that post 749 was a long read, then may I suggest Westinghouse S5W or General Electric S8G Reactor Plant manuals.
Either one will stand several feet high when the volumes are stacked.
Then, since that's just about reading large amounts of material, you might want to broaden your horizons by adding in some psychology, and group dynamic psychology.
Then, deal with various government agencies so you can have a "theory to practice".

I read it. Looks a lot like any government bureaucracy. A lot of busy working happnin' but not much getting accomplished. Are they terrorists or not? Odds are, not. But dare we ask the right questions, and is it possible to even know the truth about that. Do they support Daesh?

 

[amboy49]

They can come here and provide for themselves. Just like anyone else. Your questions are pure strawman.

I'm not terribly well versed on this subject but I don't think they will be "just like anyone else." They are being pushed to the front of the immigrant line by our government. I have heard it can take up to two years to successfully work thru the immigration process for immigrants. They will be at the head of the line thanks to our current President.

Secondly, I haven't seen where there are any requirements for Syrian immigrants to demonstrate they have a command of the English language, are free from communicable diseases, or have any kind of skill set that will make them financially self sufficient. Perhaps the health question isn't a factor and they are somehow vetted for disease/illness, I don't know.

Until they are able to pay their own way they will be sucking off the government teat - which means I and every other tax paying individual in the United Stateswill be subsidizing them for their subsistence. If you're so bent on them coming here I suggest you kick in extra in taxes to cover the cost of these folks. Actually why don t you send the extra funds to me so I'm not actually out of pocket. If you'll send me a p.m. I'll give you my mailing address so you can forward a money order to me or I can provide an email address so you can just PayPal th money.

If the defined Syrians are screened for security concerns before entering that's only one part of my concern. Additionally, I want them to have to:

Swear an oath of allegiance to our constitution
Stipulate they will abide by our laws and not Sharia law
Demonstrate they are self sufficient or have have a financial sponsor within 30 days of arrival
Receive no federal financial assistance after 30 days
Agree to study for US citizenship and take the oath of citizenship after taking and passing the prescribed courses
Agree to learn and speak English as their primary language and require the same for any children in their custody
Restrict voting privileges for a period of 5 years after entering (I know this may "contradict" my 5th point). I don't care.

There may be other restrictions or requirements I haven't thought of, but this would be a good start !

I'll be waiting for your p.m. so you can send the money !

 

[ghitch75]

Rather than taking in the refuges from Syria I think we should help them take back their own country. Issue each a M4, a manual on the care and feeding of said rifle, and 1000 rounds of ammo. Let them kick ISIS out.

that could be done for around $1k per man......seen more than enough young fighting age men in the pic's!!!!!......raise up and take their country instead of running!!!!

 

[actaeon277]

And, I'm sure part of the resistance we feel, is a lack of faith in the ability of the present administration to do anything right.

 

[calcot7]

that could be done for around $1k per man......seen more than enough young fighting age men in the pic's!!!!!......raise up and take their country instead of running!!!!

This idea might just give Isis more armed fighters with rifles and ammunition.

 

[Jludo]

that could be done for around $1k per man......seen more than enough young fighting age men in the pic's!!!!!......raise up and take their country instead of running!!!!

Yea, just rise up and take on the established state backed by Russia and a well funded Muslim extremist group. Sometimes the best you can do is run. Not everyone is as bad ass as us Americans.

 

[308jake]

Too many are afraid to fight for their homes. We don't need any more cowards here. Lord knows we have plenty of our own.

 

[actaeon277]

Looks like many who run the government also worry about the refugees and if they're being vetted.

White House downplays House?s veto-proof Syrian refugee bill | New York Post

In a blow to President Obama, 47 Democrats — including many facing tough 2016 re-election races — joined the GOP, giving them the two-thirds margin needed to override vetoes.

 

[BogWalker]

Spends years talking about how untrustworthy, corrupt, and ill-managed the government is.

Suddenly has 100% faith in the government and its processes.

 

[Bartman]

This seems relevant to the discussion of refugees providing for themselves.

More Than 90 Percent of Middle Eastern Refugees on Food Stamps - Breitbart

 

[actaeon277]

http://investmen****chblog.com/fbi-braces-for-isis-attacks-no-resources-to-vet-muslim-refugees/

But you had the FBI director testify before Congress, under oath saying that if they have no information on someone they have nothing to vet them against,” Mr. Farenthold said on the “Capitol Hill Show” with Tim Constantine.“We have testimony saying, and I think common sense also dictates that in a failed state like Syria you don’t have any government information, police reports to rely on to vet somebody,” the congressman added. “So there’s no way to do a background check from somebody coming out of Syria. There’s no way we can find out whether they’re safe or not.”


FBI Director Admits U.S. Will Have No Basis to Vet Some Syrian Refugees

FBI Director James Comey, flanked by the nation’s top intelligence officials, admitted to the House Homeland Security Committee Wednesday that for some of the 10,000 Syrian refugees the administration has agreed to allow into the U.S., there will be no basis to vet them through the databases it uses to determine if they have ties to terrorism.

“We can only query against that which we have collected, and so if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interests reflected in our database, we can query our database til the cows come home, but … there’ll be nothing show up, because we have no record on that person,” said Comey.



Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson also admitted last week that the U.S. won’t “know a whole lot” about the refugees it allows into the U.S.



Wow. So the people in charge of the vetting, and security, say they can't properly vet the refugees.
I guess they don't know what they're talking about. Must be basement trolls.

 

[Dead Duck]

Spends years talking about how untrustworthy, corrupt, and ill-managed the government is.

Suddenly has 100% faith in the government and its processes.

This is the strange part here......especially for INGO.

 

[Arthur Dent]

Ok. I re-read it. Still looks the same to me. Still looks like maybe you haven't dealt with human nature, or government agencies when things come down from above.
If you think that post 749 was a long read, then may I suggest Westinghouse S5W or General Electric S8G Reactor Plant manuals.
Either one will stand several feet high when the volumes are stacked.
Then, since that's just about reading large amounts of material, you might want to broaden your horizons by adding in some psychology, and group dynamic psychology.
Then, deal with various government agencies so you can have a "theory to practice".

Here's the pat on the back for reading the manuals to do your job.

 

[Arthur Dent]

http://investmen****chblog.com/fbi-braces-for-isis-attacks-no-resources-to-vet-muslim-refugees/

But you had the FBI director testify before Congress, under oath saying that if they have no information on someone they have nothing to vet them against,” Mr. Farenthold said on the “Capitol Hill Show” with Tim Constantine.“We have testimony saying, and I think common sense also dictates that in a failed state like Syria you don’t have any government information, police reports to rely on to vet somebody,” the congressman added. “So there’s no way to do a background check from somebody coming out of Syria. There’s no way we can find out whether they’re safe or not.”


FBI Director Admits U.S. Will Have No Basis to Vet Some Syrian Refugees

FBI Director James Comey, flanked by the nation’s top intelligence officials, admitted to the House Homeland Security Committee Wednesday that for some of the 10,000 Syrian refugees the administration has agreed to allow into the U.S., there will be no basis to vet them through the databases it uses to determine if they have ties to terrorism.

“We can only query against that which we have collected, and so if someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interests reflected in our database, we can query our database til the cows come home, but … there’ll be nothing show up, because we have no record on that person,” said Comey.



Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson also admitted last week that the U.S. won’t “know a whole lot” about the refugees it allows into the U.S.



Wow. So the people in charge of the vetting, and security, say they can't properly vet the refugees.
I guess they don't know what they're talking about. Must be basement trolls.

The problem with vetting anyone from these countries is the lack of records kept over there and any records of anything have probably been blown to smithereens in the last few years.

 

[jamil]

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