State House to Vote Soon on Pro-Gun Bill

Bill of Rights · Mar 3, 2014

IndyGunworks said:
What are the odds of these so called "bad amendments" being added?

Hard to say until we know which Reps and Senators will be on the committee.

Kokomo1 said:
Can anyone help me define this part of the law? (I'm not expecting a definition that will stand up in court.)

Example #1: School FFA organization has a farm plot adjacent to school. Long edge of parcel directly adjoins (large) parking lot which adjoins school on the other long edge. Would carrying on the FFA plot with no students present be legal?

Example #2: FFA owns a parcel of land several miles from school. Students are of course occasionally on this land for school sanctioned activities. Could I carry when students are not present? What about if a students drops by to check on the crops?

The portion you're questioning is where the bill specifies that "school property" is limited to the actual school building... Not parking lots, not football fields, not playgrounds, just the building itself. As I read it, the school building will still be off limits 24/7/365, but you'll no longer have to park off the property, just lock your gun in the car, out of sight, and you're good to go, as it reads now.

dprimm said:
Who do we contact for this part?

As soon as I know the names, I'll post them.

LockStocksAndBarrel · Mar 3, 2014

Where can we see who voted how?

Bill of Rights · Mar 3, 2014

LockStocksAndBarrel said:
Where can we see who voted how?

Brotherbill3 posted this image:

LockStocksAndBarrel · Mar 3, 2014

Thanks BoR. I saw Brother Bills post where he said he had a screen shot but there isn't one in that post that I could see.

Bill of Rights · Mar 3, 2014

LockStocksAndBarrel said:
Thanks BoR. I saw Brother Bills post where he said he had a screen shot but there isn't one in that post that I could see.

They're almost all alphabetical. The only exception is Bosma, who is listed at the far lower right as you look at the screen, as "Mr. Speaker"

Arnold	R	Y
Austin	D	N
Bacon	R	Y
Baird	R	Y
Bartlett	D	N
Battles	D	N
Bauer	D	N
Behning	R	Y
Beumer	R	Y
Braun	R	Y
Brown, C	D	N
Brown, T	R	Y
Burton	R	Y
Candelaria-Reardon	D	N
Carbaugh	R	Y
Cherry	R	Y
Clere	R	Y
Cox	R	Y
Culver	R	Y
Davisson	R	Y
Delaney	D	N
Dermody	R	Y
DeVon	R	Y
Dvorak	D	Y
Eberhart	R	Y
Errington	D	N
Forestal	D	N
Friend	R	0
Frizzell	R	Y
Frye	R	Y
GiaQuinta	D	N
Goodin	D	Y
Gutwein	R	Y
Hale	D	N
Hamm	R	Y
Harman	R	Y
Harris	D	N
Heaton	R	Y
Heuer	R	Y
Huston	R	Y
Karickhoff	R	Y
Kersey	D	N
Kirchhofer	R	Y
Klinker	D	Y
Koch	R	Y
Kubacki	R	Y
Lawson	D	N
Lehe	R	Y
Lehman	R	Y
Leonard	R	Y
Lucas	R	Y
Lutz	R	Y
Macer	D	Y
Mahan	R	Y
Mayfield	R	Y
McMillin	R	Y
McNamara	R	Y
Messmer	R	Y
Moed	D	Y
Morris	R	Y
Morrison	R	Y
Moseley	D	N
Neese	R	Y
Negele	R	Y
Niemeyer	R	Y
Niezgodski	D	Y
Ober	R	Y
Pelath	D	N
Pierce	D	N
Porter	D	N
Price	R	Y
Pryor	D	N
Rhoads	R	Y
Richardson	R	Y
Riecken	D	N
Saunders	R	0
Shackleford	D	N
Slager	R	Y
Smaltz	R	Y
Smith, Milo	R	Y
Smith, Vernon	D	N
Soliday	R	Y
Speedy	R	Y
Stemler	D	Y
Steuerwald	R	Y
Sullivan	R	Y
Summers	D	N
Thompson	R	Y
Torr	R	Y
Truitt	R	Y
Turner	R	Y
Ubelhor	R	Y
VanDenburgh	D	N
VanNatter	R	Y
Washburne	R	Y
Wesco	R	Y
Wolkins	R	Y
Zent	R	Y
Ziemke	R	Y
Mr. Speaker	R	Y

Seven Democrats voted "Yes" to pass this bill.
No Republicans voted "No".
Two Representatives did not vote, both Republicans (Rep. Friend was excused from the session today.)

Smokepole · Mar 3, 2014

Kokomo1 said:
Can anyone help me define this part of the law? (I'm not expecting a definition that will stand up in court.)

Example #1: School FFA organization has a farm plot adjacent to school. Long edge of parcel directly adjoins (large) parking lot which adjoins school on the other long edge. Would carrying on the FFA plot with no students present be legal?

Example #2: FFA owns a parcel of land several miles from school. Students are of course occasionally on this land for school sanctioned activities. Could I carry when students are not present? What about if a students drops by to check on the crops?

stephen87 said:
If the school shares a parking lot with a Walmart, the parking lot is not "school property." Under current law, it is off-limits because of the fact that it is the lot for a school.

Bill of Rights said:
Hard to say until we know which Reps and Senators will be on the committee.

The portion you're questioning is where the bill specifies that "school property" is limited to the actual school building... Not parking lots, not football fields, not playgrounds, just the building itself. As I read it, the school building will still be off limits 24/7/365, but you'll no longer have to park off the property, just lock your gun in the car, out of sight, and you're good to go, as it reads now.

As soon as I know the names, I'll post them.

Football fields and playgrounds aside, this is a BIG help for those that have kids in parochial schools or attend a church that has a school on it's grounds. Because the church and the school almost always share a parking lot which made it impossible to carry when attending church. If this passes I can carry in church. Yeah!! Just have to get the thing through conference and passed now.

And we can expect to see a piece by Erica Smith now. I wouldn't be surprised if it shows up in the morning. And probably Tully as well.

mshogren · Mar 4, 2014

Saw article on Fox 59 at 10. Seemed pretty fair and balanced.

Just loved the Mom's argument that if this passes it will allow bus drivers to carry on their busses...guess they are trying to make the emotional attachment with the bus driver incident recently... :rolleyes:

Mark

brotherbill3 · Mar 4, 2014

mshogren said:
Saw article on Fox 59 at 10. Seemed pretty fair and balanced.

Just loved the Mom's argument that if this passes it will allow bus drivers to carry on their busses...guess they are trying to make the emotional attachment with the bus driver incident recently...

Mark

and that argument is false -and has never been part of the legislation. -

wizardfitz · Mar 4, 2014

I'm hoping it passes so I can go back to carrying at church. since it shares a parking lot with the school

AndersonIN · Mar 4, 2014

brotherbill3 said:
and that argument is false -and has never been part of the legislation. -

Might be wrong but I believe it did at one time anyway!

(1) in or on school property, in or on property that is being used
6 by a school for a school function, or on a school bus in violation
7 of IC 20-33-8-16 or IC 35-47-9-2;

jblomenberg16 · Mar 4, 2014

For those of you posting about carrying at church, you might check with your church and school leadership. In some cases the parking lot, while shared with the schools, is actually church property. Also, in many of those cases the church and school are separately incorporated meaning that the parking lot is in fact church property and not school property.

Hopefully once this bill is law we won't have to worry about that anyway, but it is always worth checking to be sure, rather than making an assumption either way.

Smokepole · Mar 4, 2014

jblomenberg16 said:
For those of you posting about carrying at church, you might check with your church and school leadership. In some cases the parking lot, while shared with the schools, is actually church property. Also, in many of those cases the church and school are separately incorporated meaning that the parking lot is in fact church property and not school property.

Hopefully once this bill is law we won't have to worry about that anyway, but it is always worth checking to be sure, rather than making an assumption either way.

I don't believe that would make a difference. The wording of the present law pretty much makes anything attached to the school or on shared property a school zone and as such a GFZ. The law makes proximity to a school or a roaming school event a GFZ. It makes no distinction for separate "entities". It's all about proximity. At least that's my read and I believe fits the Leftist mindset about expanding GFZ's as far as possible.

I agree too that hopefully this will do away with at least a sizable portion of that dreck.

brotherbill3 · Mar 4, 2014

AndersonIN said:
Might be wrong but I believe it did at one time anyway!

(1) in or on school property, in or on property that is being used
6 by a school for a school function, or on a school bus in violation
7 of IC 20-33-8-16 or IC 35-47-9-2;

From the initial synopsys of HB 1048:

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Synopsis:

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[/FONT]Possession of firearms. Makes knowingly or intentionally possessing a firearm: (1) in or on school property; (2) in or on property that is not school property and is being used by a school for a school function; or (3) on a school bus; a Class A misdemeanor instead of a Level 6 felony.

In the initial format, Rep Lucas wanted to reduce the charge for possession to a misdemeanor; but it was still prohibited on the bus. At the initial hearing - in order to even get this a hearing - these possession charges were restored to a level 6 Felony, including the bus. and sorry I have no idea what is up w/ my computer and why the text is funky. ... :rolleyes:

RobbyMaQ · Mar 4, 2014

A 7.62 Exodus said:
Rep. Vernon Smith now up. Very shaky sounds in his voice. He's more than likely going to oppose the bill. Especially when you start with, " I didn't want to get up here and damage my A+ rating with the NRA"

His argument is also silly. Paraphrased of course "Well, people don't think when their angry. If they have a gun in their car, they may just go get that gun."

I play some poker, and it never ceases to amaze me that many opponents assume everyone else at the table acts the same that they would. Wild players will always assume everyone else is wild. Rep. Vernon Smith's testimony speaks volumes about his character in this respect.

AndersonIN · Mar 4, 2014

RobbyMaQ said:
I play some poker, and it never ceases to amaze me that many opponents assume everyone else at the table acts the same that they would. Wild players will always assume everyone else is wild. Rep. Vernon Smith's testimony speaks volumes about his character in this respect.

I would say it's more toward the line of thinking........."Well of course I could handle it but most others are just too stupid or mental to handle it properly!"

PRasko · Mar 4, 2014

Makes it a Class A misdemeanor if certain persons possess a firearm in plain view in a motor vehicle

huh?

pulled from Indiana General Assembly - 2014 Session

AndersonIN · Mar 4, 2014

PRasko said:
huh?

pulled from Indiana General Assembly - 2014 Session

If you leave your gun in view in a vehicle on school property!

PRasko · Mar 4, 2014

AndersonIN said:
If you leave your gun in view in a vehicle on school property!

That's not* how it reads in the digest of the bill.

-edit-

Sorry, alcohol and posting is bad mmkay...

LockStocksAndBarrel · Mar 13, 2014

The vote is supposed to be today.

Latest thread: https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...-pro-gun-bill-likely-considered-senate-h.html

Captain Morgan · Mar 13, 2014

How would this affect places like the children's museum, that have a preschool inside a small portion of the main building?

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