Sen. Joe Donnelly, D-Ind. 2018...

[jamil]

Hi blue falcon,

As far as the reason I care about abortion, it’s personal and also concern for others. I do not want children, and although I am responsible when it comes to birth control I do know that there can be failures and nothing is perfect. I also don’t want to force anyone into motherhood who is not prepared, as that is not fair to the woman or the child she would likely resent. Also, if there is a fetal anomaly present women and their families should be able to choose if they want to abort rather than wait until birth for the child to have a short and painful life. Finally, I think the government should not be involved in these decisions whatsoever. I realize we may not agree on this, but I do respect your opinion and I hope you would respect mine.

As far as LGBT rights, I have many gay friends and a couple of transgender friends. I realize they have good rights currently, but I want to make sure nothing gets overturned that would negatively affect them.

As far as LGBT/Trans rights, I don’t know what could possibly be overturned that would give them fewer rights (that actually ARE rights) than what they have now. If it’s a failure of imagination on my part, maybe you could give examples where their rights are specifically in jeopardy.

 

[jamil]

"All due respect" is not a magic phrase that makes a rude statement respectful, sir.

What issues are important to SarahG or any others are for them to decide, not for you to decide on her behalf or theirs.

You're free to try to convince her that her prioritization should more closely align with yours, but this kind of post is unlikely to move her in your direction.

Oh. I guess you already covered it.

 

[KG1]

I think a bigger problem is when you hear leftist, you think Hillary Clinton, who is so far right to me she might as well be Trump's vice president.

The thing that surprises me the most is that of you having any expectations on this particular forum going in that you might come across like minded individuals such as yourself that consider themselves to admittedly be that far to the left of Hillary.

Polar opposites and everything.

 

[KittySlayer]

Didn't Hilldebeast call a bunch of crippled kids at a Whitehouse egg hunt a "bunch of fxxxing retards" some years back? She seemed to gotten the golden pass for that.......FtD party.

She probably thought they were Republican kids so the assumption that they were retards was valid from her point of view.

 

[jamil]

Yet another insightful and provocative response, I can see now that your post count makes you holier than I, please, resume fighting the good fight against reproductive rights and pay me no mind.

You call it "reproductive rights". Well, the other side sees it differently. They see it as killing a human who hasn't been asked if he or she wants to be killed. Both sides will talk past each other as long as they both insist both sides must adhere to their definitions. Maybe Indiucky is right. The bubble doesn't really help either side understand each other, and visiting outside of yours is a good way to update. But when you visit the other bubble, maybe the onus is more on you to understand things in their language.

 

[jamil]

I don't have any. Nor do I feel the need to conceal my identity on this forum to say what I wanna say.

Well, maybe yes and maybe no. We've had users who've been banned for ****posting come back with different accounts, and continue ****posting. Not that what your'e doing resembles ****posting per se. But it's just your word that you're not using a shill account. We don't get many lefties that are here for other purposes, so surely you can understand the accusation.

 

[Breynolds38]

The thing that surprises me the most is that of you having any expectations on this particular forum going in that you might come across like minded individuals such as yourself that consider themselves to admittedly be that far to the left of Hillary.

Polar opposites and everything.

Gun ownership in the US is not a narrow strip of humanity, it is a cross-section of many different races, religions, and creeds. Your self-imposed exile from everyone who doesn't walk, talk, and act like you are at best passive attempts to create divisiveness within a community you're willingly ignorant about being a part of.

Good luck with all that I guess.

In the meantime, I'd like to point out that each of the following organizations has active membership in Indiana, but you wouldn't know that by looking around on this forum.

https://www.redneckrevolt.org/about

About The Pink Pistols ? Pink Pistols

https://hueypnewtongunclub.org/about

https://www.socialistra.org/about/

 

[jamil]

Gun ownership in the US is not a narrow strip of humanity, it is a cross-section of many different races, religions, and creeds. Your self-imposed exile from everyone who doesn't walk, talk, and act like you are at best passive attempts to create divisiveness within a community you're willingly ignorant about being a part of.

Good luck with all that I guess.

In the meantime, I'd like to point out that each of the following organizations has active membership in Indiana, but you wouldn't know that by looking around on this forum.

https://www.redneckrevolt.org/about

About The Pink Pistols ? Pink Pistols

https://hueypnewtongunclub.org/about

https://www.socialistra.org/about/

Yes, there are lefty gun owners. But the numbers pale in comparison to people on the right. I mean by a LOT! Still, people on the right should look to the gun owners on the left as allies on this issue, at least to the extent that the lefties aren't too bat **** crazy to reciprocate.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

That's all I'm saying.



That's fine. We all know what he was getting at. The minor issue is that he tried to turn a phrase. As used, "but" implied that someone should be surprised that an Indian-American or African-American would do a great job. "And" would have been without issue. However, it seems clear to me that he was trying to imply that there are others out there who would be surprised that people of different ethnicities are competent, separating himself from those people. The problem is, there is no purple for the spoken word and he was not sarcastic enough. I frankly love it when the virtue signalling falls flat.

If someone were to say, for instance: "Barack Obama is an African-American, but he clean and articulate", don't you think that implies something beyond the compliment to the former president?

Kind of like the way Harry Reid described him?

"The authors quote Reid as saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.""

Reid apologizes for racial remarks about Obama during campaign - CNN.com

 

[HoughMade]

Kind of like the way Harry Reid described him?

"The authors quote Reid as saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.""

Reid apologizes for racial remarks about Obama during campaign - CNN.com

Actually, I was referring to Joe Biden, but that works too.

 

[printcraft]

[video=youtube;MeVkN4UIWiA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeVkN4UIWiA[/video]

 

[printcraft]

Oh, Joe.

Is this his Murdock moment?

[video=youtube;XMDmcCOHa8Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMDmcCOHa8Y[/video]

What is it with guys named Joe?

[video=youtube;AEG1wuoa2hs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEG1wuoa2hs[/video]

 

[jamil]

Kind of like the way Harry Reid described him?

"The authors quote Reid as saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.""

Reid apologizes for racial remarks about Obama during campaign - CNN.com

Reid was just being honest about his thoughts. For once.

 

[jamil]

Oh, Joe.

Is this his Murdock moment?

[video=youtube;XMDmcCOHa8Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMDmcCOHa8Y[/video]

Can't have a Mourdock moment without a willing press.

 

[indykid]

If a republican had said that he would be run out on a rail, democrat says it, what problem?

 

[KG1]

Gun ownership in the US is not a narrow strip of humanity, it is a cross-section of many different races, religions, and creeds. Your self-imposed exile from everyone who doesn't walk, talk, and act like you are at best passive attempts to create divisiveness within a community you're willingly ignorant about being a part of.

Good luck with all that I guess.

In the meantime, I'd like to point out that each of the following organizations has active membership in Indiana, but you wouldn't know that by looking around on this forum.

https://www.redneckrevolt.org/about

About The Pink Pistols ? Pink Pistols

https://hueypnewtongunclub.org/about

https://www.socialistra.org/about/

My post had nothing to do with gun ownership commonality since you’ve obviously come here to butt heads on unrelated issues .

I just made an observation about your expectations when you’ve chosen to come here and engage with the “far right” from your perch on the “far left”

It doesn’t seem to me that you are any more interested in bridging the gap.

As far as gun ownership related commonality I whole heartedly welcome it.

Edit: One more thing that I might add about the links you posted is that I’m not in the least bit interested in trolling their sites. That’s not my style.

 

[jamil]

You're denying some basic reality here, and in doing so you're attacking a straw man. Of course, the abortion "debate" is really all about straw men on both sides, so nothing here is surprising.

The pro-abortion position isn't that killing babies is OK; it's that a fetus isn't a person. Nobody is denying that a fetus is alive. Nobody is denying that a fetus has distinct DNA from the woman. They are just saying that a fetus isn't a person and so doesn't deserve the rights of a person.

(Note that I never said that this is my position; I only said that the above argument attacks a straw man.)



If you are a fan of any kind of personal freedom, you don't want to advocate this position. This is not a road you want to go down.

That’s the version of what they used to say. Now it’s an intruder and just like someone has a right to use deadly force against intruders, well. You get the idea. That’s not a straw man. That’s an actual argument from a pro-choice advocate. This is the snapshot of the future left.

 

[2A_Tom]

Gun ownership in the US is not a narrow strip of humanity, it is a cross-section of many different races, religions, and creeds. Your self-imposed exile from everyone who doesn't walk, talk, and act like you are at best passive attempts to create divisiveness within a community you're willingly ignorant about being a part of.

Good luck with all that I guess.

In the meantime, I'd like to point out that each of the following organizations has active membership in Indiana, but you wouldn't know that by looking around on this forum.

https://www.redneckrevolt.org/about From what I've seen these folk are an Antifa like group which I would want little discourse with and if they posted revolutionary tendencies they would be warned and possibly banned.

About The Pink Pistols ? Pink Pistols This is a group that is primarily interested in self defense. Most here would welcome them.

https://hueypnewtongunclub.org/about Another group whose stated intent would be welcome here.

https://www.socialistra.org/about/ Since it has socialist in it's name I believe there would be a lot of political push back.

If you consider Hillary conservative, I am nearly certain you will not find many fellow travelers.

 

[jamil]

If you consider Hillary conservative, I am nearly certain you will not find many fellow travelers.

Maybe on uber left sites.

 

[HoughMade]

Maybe on uber left sites.

Or by people on shill accounts trolling people looking for a fight.