Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[Tombs]

I know one thing for sure that I don't support. Our government's involvement in this whole stinking mess from the get-go. It's the only thing that should really matter. The rest is up to Europe to sort out.

But no one ever talks about the US astroturfing during euromaidan, when we effectively manipulated their country into putting Poroshenko into office, who Biden then pressured into buying votes to push US policy in Ukraine.



We shouldn't be involved in any of this. If anything, our involvement is a significant part of Russia's invasion.
If we actually cared about Ukrainians, we'd be letting them determine their own future, rather than trying to control their policy.

 

[DragonGunner]

Maybe Ukraine should of listened to Alexander, we sure haven't.

“Foreign influence is truly the Grecian horse to a republic. We cannot be too careful to exclude its influence.”​

— Alexander Hamilton

 

[nra4ever]

Well this is something you do when your guilty

 

[actaeon277]

POS race pimp MSNBC host Joy Reid is taking advantage of the Ukraine crisis as an opportunity to play the race card. MSNBC is subsidizing this crap by continuing to allow her to do this.

When you have a hammer, every problem is a nail.

 

[Tombs]

Well this is something you do when your guilty

That's an outright lie, unless something changed that I'm unaware of.

IIRC, there's boatloads of VX sitting here in Indiana that we've been trying to get rid of for decades.

 

[KG1]

Russel Brand breaks down the complexities on why the war began and how US involvement played a big part in leading up to it and why you can’t just look at it in simplistic terms.

 

[Mikey1911]

That's an outright lie, unless something changed that I'm unaware of.

IIRC, there's boatloads of VX sitting here in Indiana that we've been trying to get rid of for decades.

The VX has been gone from the Newport Chemical Depot since August 2008.

Used to drive by it several times a year on IN-63.

 

[Tombs]

The VX has been gone from the Newport Chemical Depot since August 2008.

Used to drive by it several times a year on IN-63.

I just looked it up. I remember countless times hearing about bills failing to neutralize it, I never remembered hearing it actually got destroyed.

Well that's at least one world ending scenario off the table.

 

[Mikey1911]

I just looked it up. I remember countless times hearing about bills failing to neutralize it, I never remembered hearing it actually got destroyed.

Well that's at least one world ending scenario off the table.

There was a lot of litigation over the process that was going to be used. Neutralization with concentrated sodium hydroxide is effective, but there is a certain percentage of the VX molecule that will break up into a chemical (EA-2192) that is nearly as toxic as VX itself. That waste product would have had to be taken off-site for disposal (presumably by incineration).

The St. Louis sectional aeronautical chart used to have a segmented magenta circle 5 nautical miles in diameter centered on Newport with the legend:

"For reasons of national security, pilots are requested to avoid flight below 4000 MSL in this area."

Newport is around 55 NM west of the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. Something I used to contemplate on Race Day.

 

[Keith_Indy]

If we actually cared about Ukrainians, we'd be letting them determine their own future, rather than trying to control their policy.

That ship sailed years ago right. At this point, our inept foreign policies helped get them into this. Don’t want to commit our military directly. We should be at a peace summit with the involved parties.

Russia wants security arrangements, fine Kamala can keep him busy while the diplomats hash it out.

IIRC, there's boatloads of VX sitting here in Indiana that we've been trying to get rid of for decades.

Got rid of… didn’t know they announced that was done

Last VX nerve agent eliminated from Army stockpile

The Army Chemical Materials Agency marked the destruction of all VX nerve agent munitions Dec. 24, with the destruction of the last land mine containing VX at the Anniston Chemical Agent Disposal Facility in Anniston, Ala.

www.army.mil

 

[Keith_Indy]

We will probably see the same layer of grantee cut-offs with all these labs in foreign countries

 

[Tombs]

 

[KG1]

The more one digs deeper the more maddening it gets. The damn shame of it all is most won’t make the effort to dig. That is the greatest peril.

I’ll admit that i used to be one of them. Not anymore. My eyes have been opened and my consciousness has been alerted.

I would strongly recommend that one take the time and watch the videos that I and Tombs have just posted.

 

[Tombs]

I would strongly recommend that one take the time and watch the videos that I and Tombs have just posted.

I imagine those who are dedicated to the cause (yet won't get on a plane and go actually fight) will go find some social media post from a decade ago from those sources and claim they're russian agents based on it.

 

[KG1]

I imagine those who are dedicated to the cause (yet won't get on a plane and go actually fight) will go find some social media post from a decade ago from those sources and claim they're russian agents based on it.

I imagine so because it doesn’t put America in the greatest light so therefore it must be Russian propaganda that Russel Brand is unwittingly peddling for them and I fell for it.

I think the overall message is that the situation in Ukraine is more complex than the media would have us believe.

There are two sides involved at play with multiple players in a power struggle over global geopolitics for their own benefit at the expense of the Ukrainian people.

The US government and the EU just basically decided to barge into Ukraine and take over their affairs and in the process stirred up a revolution which lead to the resentment of Russian influence. Basically it was designed to kick Russia out of Ukraine so the US and the EU could have their way with them..

One thing is undeniable though and that is our government played a hand in what lead to the conflict that has spilled over into a global crisis that effects the lives of everyone.

 

[KG1]

I imagine those who are dedicated to the cause (yet won't get on a plane and go actually fight) will go find some social media post from a decade ago from those sources and claim they're russian agents based on it.

Well, here I might as well give them some fodder that they can try to use. The author of one of the sources is a staff writer for Jacobin magazine by the name of Branko Marcetic. Now apparently Jacobin magazine describes itself as a "leading voice of the American left offering socialist perspectives on politics, economics, and culture"

Branko Marcetic

Articles by Branko Marcetic.

jacobinmag.com

Naturally one could presumably say that I was duped by the left through Russel Brand and try to dismiss the case that he presented based on the biased source which could possibly be a conduit for Russian propaganda.

The funny thing is though that this all really took off under the Obama/Biden administration. Hardly a far right entity.

Be that as it may I still think there is enough evidence corroborated through different sources which leads to the overall gist that the US government played a pivotal part in what lead to the crisis that everyone is affected by today. There is certainly no doubt that they were taking over Ukraine's internal affairs to benefit the EU/US agenda that I spelled out in my previous post.

(I still have'nt tracked down the other source yet.)

Edit: I tracked down the other source and it comes from a contributing writer by the name of Bryce Greene for Fair.org which claims to be an independent alternative to corporate main stream media.

Basically he and Fair's position is in condemnation of Russia's attack as "illegal and ruinous" but they take issue with calling it "unprovoked" saying that it distracts attention away from the US's own contribution to this disastrous outcome. In the article the writer goes on to explain what the contribution was.

Here's a link to the sourced article. I'll let anyone decide for themselves if they agree with it or not and what their opinion is of the source that Russel Brand used.

Calling Russia’s Attack ‘Unprovoked’ Lets US Off the Hook

The “unprovoked” descriptor obscures a long history of provocative behavior from the United States in regards to Ukraine.

fair.org

 

[rooster]

Attempted shifting of the Overton window,

“Conditions present for the spread and amplification of infectious disease “

Ya that’s what happens in war, why is it suddenly a concern now and not in any previous wars?

Is it because a deadly weaponized pathogen might escape a “not a bio weapons “ lab?

 

[nra4ever]

Hope this is not bad

 

[KG1]

Hope this is not bad

Cryptic messages are scary.

 

[Expat]

It seems pretty clear to me that you are either for killing children or you aren't.