Russia vs Ukraine anyone watching this ignite?

[rooster]

I can’t even keep up with the lies.

So it’s not bioweapons labs but bombing them risks a release of dangerous pathogens?

US official: Russian invasion of Ukraine risks release of dangerous pathogens

A US official worries that the conflict in Ukraine could lead to damage at laboratories holding dangerous pathogens.

thebulletin.org

 

[BigRed]

One of the perks for becoming an Ingo mod is that you have accesses to use the Ingo Bugatti. Come to think of it though that might have been a perk under the old administration.

If the SecDef position comes with a Bronco I would go with that one and kick the mod position to the curb.

Yeah, but the Sec Def job would require two things I am certain I could tolerate.

1) Living off of taxpayers
2) Working for an employer I despise

Besides, I was told my credentials are in the mail.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Yeah, it looks like Poland was trying to pull a hustle and the US said were not buying your jive offer.

I expect that to change once the administration figures out how they can make it seem like they're doing everyone a favor by allowing it...

 

[Keith_Indy]

I can’t even keep up with the lies.

So it’s not bioweapons labs but bombing them risks a release of dangerous pathogens?

US official: Russian invasion of Ukraine risks release of dangerous pathogens

A US official worries that the conflict in Ukraine could lead to damage at laboratories holding dangerous pathogens.

thebulletin.org

I don't understand why those pathogens wouldn't have been destroyed during the initial Russian advance.

 

[KG1]

They haven't gotten there yet?!?

I'm thinking a likely scenario is the plan was in the works, Poland agreed, but the U.S. was supposed to announce, or be kept secret.

I think this is a hot potato issue and no one wants it to look like they are responsible for the transfer of the Migs to Ukraine. Poland doesn't want the Migs to be directly transferred to the Ukrainians by flying them out of Poland into Ukraine and the US doesn't want the same thing happening from their US air base in Germany. I think the Germans don't want that either.

This deal is a no go.

 

[Shadow01]

MSN

It appears that there has been a miscommunication between Poland and the US over Poland's surprise announcement offering to transfer their existing Mig 29 fleet over to a US air base in Germany to be transferred over to Ukraine in exchange for replacements. Apparently, they made the announcement without consulting their US counterparts.

In a statement Defense Department spokesperson John Kirby reflected that deep concern late Tuesday, saying “we do not believe Poland’s proposal is a tenable one,” and it is “simply not clear to us that there is a substantive rationale for it.”

This idea was just an untenable FUBAR idea all along. The proposal has been nixed by the Pentagon.

Poland was making a preemptive move to get the US involved incase the Polish border was the next to fall.

 

[Keith_Indy]

@KG1 while I said likely, I don't think it's high probability though. You're reasoning is sound too. However, I've seen this administration deny, then walk back and reverse claims all to often.

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The Blob Wants a War

How expertise debases itself

cdrsalamander.substack.com

 

[KG1]

@KG1 while I said likely, I don't think it's high probability though. You're reasoning is sound too. However, I've seen this administration deny, then walk back and reverse claims all to often.

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The Blob Wants a War

How expertise debases itself

cdrsalamander.substack.com

This is true. IMO I think there is a lot of waffling going on between Poland and the US over this deal as they are both tiptoeing around trying to avoid expanding the conflict.

They need to stop teasing Ukraine with the prospect over a deal that will most likely never come to be. The Dept. of Defense has already nixed the proposal as untenable.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Good analysis here... interesting read.

Reliving the Nightmare of 1914 (We're Doing It Again)

pjmedia.com

World War I had no good guys and no winners. France rightly sought the return of the provinces Germany had annexed in 1870. Russia rightly feared that German influence would sever its industrial centers and tax base in the Western parts of it its empire; England feared that Germany would encroach on its overseas empire; Germany feared that Russia’s railroad system would overcome its advantage in mobility and firepower. None of them wanted a war, but each of them decided that it was better to fight in 1914 than fight later at a disadvantage.

Historian Christopher Clark in his 2013 book The Sleepwalkers forever buried the black legend of German aggression in 1914, with proof from Russian archives that the Czar’s mobilization – with French incitement – provoked the outbreak of war. There’s no hero to cheer, no villain to boo in the first tragedy of the 20th century, just mediocre and small-minded politicians unable to step back from the brink.

All of them acted rationally in the pursuit of their vital interests, but at the same stupidly as well as wickedly, and the ensuing world wars undid the achievements of a thousand years of Western civilization. We look back to 1914 in horror, and wonder how the leaders of the West could have been so pig-headed. Nonetheless, we are doing it again today.

That should be an object lesson for today’s Ukraine crisis. Vladimir Putin acted wickedly, and illegally, by invading Ukraine, but also rationally: Russia has an existential interest in keeping NATO away from his border. Russia will no more tolerate American missiles in Kyiv than the United States would tolerate Russian missiles in Cuba.

 

[Ark]

Good analysis here... interesting read.

Reliving the Nightmare of 1914 (We're Doing It Again)

pjmedia.com

Mediocre, small minded leaders unable to step back from the brink...sounds familiar.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Putin funded green groups.

Green groups want domestic production, transportation and use of fossil fuels decreased and eliminated.

Biden did the bidding of green groups by shutting down pipelines, etc.

P -> G -> B

So, Biden is doing Putin's bidding...

IMPEACH!!!

Russia Funneled Cash to Anti-Fossil Fuel Climate Extremists: 2018 Report

townhall.com

 

[KG1]

Good analysis here... interesting read.

Reliving the Nightmare of 1914 (We're Doing It Again)

pjmedia.com

Good read. Putin basically invaded Ukraine because he wanted to deliver his demands to the Ukrainian government by military force and hold a gun to their heads.

One of his demands for the cessation of military action is he basically wants Ukraine to give up their right to self-determination and change their Constitution at gun point guaranteeing they will not form a pact with NATO, EU and the West.

Apparently, Putin likes to do things at the point of a gun. Another one of his demands as I pointed out previously is for Ukraine to hand over the deed to Crimea also at the point of a gun.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

Jesus the Russians are just copying and pasting our justification for the war in Iraq.

Difference is they stayed out of it. Just like we should

 

[Keith_Indy]

Victoria Nuland: Ukraine Has "Biological Research Facilities," Worried Russia May Seize Them

The neocon's confession sheds critical light on the U.S. role in Ukraine, and raises vital questions about these labs that deserve answers.

greenwald.substack.com

Self-anointed "fact-checkers” in the U.S. corporate press have spent two weeks mocking as disinformation and a false conspiracy theory the claim that Ukraine has biological weapons labs, either alone or with U.S. support. They never presented any evidence for their ruling — how could they possibly know? and how could they prove the negative? — but nonetheless they invoked their characteristically authoritative, above-it-all tone of self-assurance and self-arrogated right to decree the truth, definitively labelling such claims false.

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Unfortunately for this propaganda racket masquerading as neutral and high-minded fact-checking, the neocon official long in charge of U.S. policy in Ukraine testified on Monday before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and strongly suggested that such claims are, at least in part, true. Yesterday afternoon, Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland appeared before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), hoping to debunk growing claims that there are chemical weapons labs in Ukraine, smugly asked Nuland: “Does Ukraine have chemical or biological weapons?”

Rubio undoubtedly expected a flat denial by Nuland, thus providing further "proof” that such speculation is dastardly Fake News emanating from the Kremlin, the CCP and QAnon. Instead, Nuland did something completely uncharacteristic for her, for neocons, and for senior U.S. foreign policy officials: for some reason, she told a version of the truth. Her answer visibly stunned Rubio, who — as soon as he realized the damage she was doing to the U.S. messaging campaign by telling the truth — interrupted her and demanded that she instead affirm that if a biological attack were to occur, everyone should be “100% sure” that it was Russia who did it. Grateful for the life raft, Nuland told Rubio he was right.

For all the dismissive language used over the last two weeks by self-described “fact-checkers,” it is confirmed that the U.S. has worked with Ukraine, as recently as last year, in the “development of a bio-risk management culture; international research partnerships; and partner capacity for enhanced bio-security, bio-safety, and bio-surveillance measures.” The U.S. Embassy in Ukraine publicly boasted of its collaborative work with Ukraine “to consolidate and secure pathogens and toxins of security concern and to continue to ensure Ukraine can detect and report outbreaks caused by dangerous pathogens before they pose security or stability threats.”

This joint US/Ukraine biological research is, of course, described by the State Department in the most unthreatening way possible. But that again prompts the question of why the U.S. would be so gravely concerned about benign and common research falling into Russian hands. It also seems very odd, to put it mildly, that Nuland chose to acknowledge and describe the "facilities" in response to a clear, simple question from Sen. Rubio about whether Ukraine possesses chemical and biological weapons. If these labs are merely designed to find a cure for cancer or create safety measures against pathogens, why, in Nuland's mind, would it have anything to do with a biological and chemical weapons program in Ukraine?

That a neocon like Nuland is admired and empowered regardless of the outcome of elections illustrates how unified and in lockstep the establishment wings of both parties are when it comes to questions of war, militarism and foreign policy. Indeed, Nuland's husband, Robert Kagan, was signaling that neocons would likely support Hillary Clinton for president — doing so in 2014, long before anyone imagined Trump as her opponent — based on the recognition that the Democratic Party was now more hospitable to neocon ideology than the GOP, where Ron Paul and then Trump's neo-isolationism was growing.

 

[Keith_Indy]

Interesting take...

Russia: On second thought, we're not trying to topple Zelensky's government

hotair.com

All I can think is that the Kremlin has absorbed the hard reality that there’s no good outcome for them in Ukraine and thus a face-saving peace deal with the existing government is their only chance for a semi-respectable exit. If they kill Zelensky now, the fury among Ukrainians might make near-term negotiations impossible. Zelensky might be the only leader in Ukraine at this point with the moral authority to get his constituents to accept a difficult peace deal, in fact. If he dies and his successor approves the annexation of Crimea and the Donbas by Russia, Ukrainians might regard those concessions as illegitimate, a giveaway by a quisling which the lionhearted Zelensky never would have condoned. That could lead to the country breaking up followed by a long insurgency among Ukrainians who consider the new government in Kiev some sort of Vichy regime.

What ever you think of him, he's good with words and rubbing salt into wounds.

Zelensky: “Our military managed to replenish its arsenal due to the many pieces of equipment it took on the battlefield. Enemy tanks, armored vehicles, ammo will now work for our defense. What could be more humiliating for the invaders? We’ll beat the enemy with its own weapons.”

 

[Ark]

Victoria Nuland: Ukraine Has "Biological Research Facilities," Worried Russia May Seize Them

The neocon's confession sheds critical light on the U.S. role in Ukraine, and raises vital questions about these labs that deserve answers.

greenwald.substack.com

Bruh. That's like 70% of the way to a confirmation. Something in those facilities is either outright dangerous to humans who go poking around with rifles, or there is at least embarrassing and sensitive information they don't want stumbled on.

I don't buy this as the actual cause of the war for Putin but, holy crap, our country keeps getting caught doing shady biological research crap in tucked away labs all over the world. They can't be like "Yeah, there's a lab in Kyiv, but it's used to research ointments that make horse hooves grow faster".

 

[BugI02]

Oh I certainly agree. What most do not understand is that financial services(including derivatives and various money schemes) account for 22% of our GDP. The derivatives market is estimated at over $1 quadrillion in US dollars. How? Leverage. See a derivative in oil with an original wager of say $1000 can be leveraged up to 100 times that amount(depending on the odds makers,but 3-7x is fairly normal these days). Now if the original $1000 investor loses he gets a margin call. If he can not pay the $3000(went with the lowest leverage commonly used) he is in default. With derivatives there is no such thing as insurance(or oversight for that matter it is the wild west,but you do sign contracts so some legal framework exists,just no one to really watch over the whole fiasco that is substantially larger than all the economies of the world combined).

Think of a derivative like this. It is a bet something will move one way or the other,and by how much in some cases. That is all it really is. A bet. Those "bets" equal billions of dollars every single day,with some losing and some winning. The problem has always been what happens when one side loses,badly. That is what is happening currently.

If it were a card game in Vegas the dealer just wiped the whole table,then stole the chips and ran out of the casino,where a pick pocket stole a few of his chips. Even the dealer was robbed because it turns out chips are not money and no one is letting him cash in his chips(they went into default) and the pick pocket, well he has a few chips to use(while trying to not get caught). Everyone else involved though gets nothing and all lost their original wager. Now do that x $1 quadrillion. You likely see the problem of where we are.

China's 4th largest bank that just imploded and defaulted. That was because of the nickle derivatives it held and leveraged.One type of derivative was all it took,that was all it took. It lost and lost big. It can not meet the margin call and will never have enough in assets to(unless the government of China prints the money and just gives it to them,like our Fed did with our banks during the MBS fiasco commonly called the housing bubble).

And the trigger for all of this? Sanctions. It really is that simple.

Ok now for the rofl part I just read.(just released this evening,more than 24 hours after the bank defaulted).
"
(Bloomberg) -- A unit of China Construction Bank Corp. was given additional time by the London Metal Exchange to pay hundreds of millions of dollars of margin calls it missed Monday amid an unprecedented spike in nickel prices, according to people familiar with the matter.
The reprieve from the LME means that the unit, called CCBI Global Markets, is not formally in default(**me...um yea it does it also meant someone at the LME is expecting the government of China to bail out the bank so they can get paid "hundreds of millions"**), the people said, asking not to be identified as the matter isn’t public.
The non-payment isn’t necessarily an indicator of any problems at the parent company, which is one of China’s largest banks."<-----

China Construction Bank Gets Reprieve on Metal Margin Calls

China Construction Bank Unit Gets Reprieve on Metal Margin Calls

www.bloombergquint.com

How Big Is the Derivatives Market?

Learn how different calculations can reduce the estimate of the total derivatives market by as much as 90% to 95%.

www.investopedia.com

GDP share by industry U.S. 2023 | Statista

In 2023, the finance, insurance, real estate, rental, and leasing industry contributed the highest amount of value to the GDP of the U.S.

www.statista.com

I applaud the gruesome death of those entangled in such instruments because I believe investments should be made in something real. Short sellers and derivatives traders are parasites sucking vitality out of actual corporations that make actual things. What they add to our economy is not worth having [please, do not insert 'but they increase/enable liquidity' argument here]

That 22% of the economy you mention does pretty much nothing to support our manufacturing base or the traditional economy, it is just a bunch of masturbating with money - money that they usually don't even have

 

[rooster]

Bruh. That's like 70% of the way to a confirmation. Something in those facilities is either outright dangerous to humans who go poking around with rifles, or there is at least embarrassing and sensitive information they don't want stumbled on.

I don't buy this as the actual cause of the war for Putin but, holy crap, our country keeps getting caught doing shady biological research crap in tucked away labs all over the world. They can't be like "Yeah, there's a lab in Kyiv, but it's used to research ointments that make horse hooves grow faster".

It really makes one question the credibility of the whole American media fact checked narrative…..

 

[BugI02]

So much for allies….

ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

I would bet they would take a call from Trump right now, though

 

[BugI02]

Sorry, please put your straw man away. I’ve never supported that worthless pile of ****. In fact I don’t believe we’d be in this cluster **** if that **** sucking mother ****ing piece of **** ****stick wasn’t in office. So put your victim status away, put your straw man back in the garden.

Man, a lot of people on INGO are going to be in trouble if Biden embargoes Russian asterisks.[**** ****]