Property tax needs to be repealed / abolished NOW! (Morgan Co info here)

[JTKelly]

ALL TAXES need abolished. ALL TAXES are theft.

 

[Ingomike]

My neighbor just had there house evaluated for value to sell, very large nice home, 115,000 what the real estate agent said, but tax roll shows it being taxed at 195,000 tax value, so who is ripping off who????

Those tax valuations are based on comps from the area and reset each time the property is sold. What are the area comps?

 

[Ingomike]

ALL TAXES need abolished. ALL TAXES are theft.

While I agree government has gotten out of hand, few could make it without some government, but many delude themselves they can. The thing is, there will always be government, no individual can stand alone against the forces of others that band together. So we can have this government or someone will impose one on us but there will never be a scenario without government and government runs on taxes…

 

[Quiet Observer]

ALL TAXES need abolished. ALL TAXES are theft.

Right, and everyone will voluntarily pay for the cost of roads, policing, education, etc. or will provide these materials and services without cost. I am gathering the materials to replace and widen the road in front of my house.

 

[phylodog]

Flat tax time

60% of the federal government and its thousands of departments could vanish tomorrow and this country would be better off for it, after the whining stopped that is. The citizens of this country are taxed more than is needed to maintain what government should be taking care of. Trim the fat, necessary services improve and everyone gets a tax break. Socialism is expensive, lets leave that to other countries.

 

[JTKelly]

Everyone wants the other guy to pay the feed bill. Farmers hate the property tax but they are fine with the income tax.

Get rid of ALL THE THEFT. abolish ALL the taxes or I don't want to even hear about your little pet projects.

No flat tax, no property tax, no progressive tax or any of the rest of the bullhockey taxes.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Everyone wants the other guy to pay the feed bill. Farmers hate the property tax but they are fine with the income tax.

Get rid of ALL THE THEFT. abolish ALL the taxes or I don't want to even hear about your little pet projects.

No flat tax, no property tax, no progressive tax or any of the rest of the bullhockey taxes.

So who pays for the national defense, interstates, ad infinitum? You think roads suck now? Wait until nobody pays for them. That's just one example.

 

[jamil]

How would you determine the individual costs? What is my share to pay for the officer, car, gas, etc. driving through my neighborhood a few times a day? Do I pay more if they spend more time investigating an incident on a certain day? What about those state roads that I will never drive on? Would there be a different charge for the time one spent on government business in a government building? What is my share of the cost of public education? I have no children but do benefit in some way through the work of those former students.

Okay. Answer each of those same questions for taxing by property assessments.

 

[racegunz]

My neighbor just had there house evaluated for value to sell, very large nice home, 115,000 what the real estate agent said, but tax roll shows it being taxed at 195,000 tax value, so who is ripping off who????

Sounds like good grounds for an appeal, lots of complaints on here but who has actually appealed their property taxes? Anyone even contacted their representatives?

 

[2in1evtime]

I appeal almost every year so far it has worked this year they raised my property value by another 75,000 less than a fifth of a acre is valued at more than 20,000???????

 

[Quiet Observer]

Okay. Answer each of those same questions for taxing by property assessments.

It was your proposal, " Just send every taxpayer a bill for their share".
I pointed out the difficulty in doing that. Certain services, police, fire, courts, roads, etc. benefit the people as whole. No matter what system is used, sales taxes, income taxes, property taxes, forced labor, or whatever, individuals are going to complain that it is not fair to them.

 

[jamil]

It was your proposal, " Just send every taxpayer a bill for their share".
I pointed out the difficulty in doing that. Certain services, police, fire, courts, roads, etc. benefit the people as whole.

It seemed that from your post, you were more interested in noting the apparent unfairness of determining what government people consume. If we're talking about unfairness, how is it fair to base taxes on the value of one's home, which really has not a whole lot to do with how valuable one's home is. When poor government decisions drive up home values, it hasn't increased the cost of government directly.

But anyway, I think I already gave the formula. I'll do it again. Spread the cost of government across the number of tax payers. Send them a bill. Of course for direct transactions with government, we've already figured that out. It's fee based.

This isn't the first time I've proposed this. I gave a lot more detail before. In fact, even Mike, who usually doesn't agree with me on anything, liked the idea.

No matter what system is used, sales taxes, income taxes, property taxes, forced labor, or whatever, individuals are going to complain that it is not fair to them.

See that's a copout. "The people will hate it no matter what, blah blah blah" is not actually an argument. It's not a reason to do or not to do anything. It has zero to do with the proposal. And the status quo, ie, the current property tax system has the same problems which you've asked me to explain. But, if you read the more detailed proposal, I think it does answer a lot of those questions.

 

[jamil]

BTW, the detailed proposal is either in this thread or perhaps the HOA thread.

 

[jamil]

Yeah. It's in this thread spread over a few posts:

Property tax needs to be repealed / abolished NOW! (Morgan Co info here)

It's almost deja vu. They want to repeal property taxes and replace the lost revenue with :dunno:. https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/group-wants-defeat-measure-would-end-property-taxes-north-dakota?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=social-media-autopost

www.indianagunowners.com

Property tax needs to be repealed / abolished NOW! (Morgan Co info here)

It's almost deja vu. They want to repeal property taxes and replace the lost revenue with :dunno:. https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/group-wants-defeat-measure-would-end-property-taxes-north-dakota?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=social-media-autopost

www.indianagunowners.com

Property tax needs to be repealed / abolished NOW! (Morgan Co info here)

It's almost deja vu. They want to repeal property taxes and replace the lost revenue with :dunno:. https://justthenews.com/nation/states/center-square/group-wants-defeat-measure-would-end-property-taxes-north-dakota?utm_source=mux&utm_medium=social-media&utm_campaign=social-media-autopost

www.indianagunowners.com

So, the PYMWYMI tax system just pays for basic cost of government. It's billed to each taxpayer determined by cost ÷ taxpayers. But capped at the average American's ability to pay. If you can't afford that you can apply for a hardship exemption. So if American's can't afford their government, government has to cut its expenses.

So no flat rates. Because there is nothing to use as a rate basis. The only thing income related is the aggregate income of all tax payers to establish the government spending cap. The same system would be used at all levels of government. And of course if you want more government, you're free to put your own money where your mouth is and pay for it yourself. We can call that the virtue signal line item.

 

[phylodog]

So if American's can't afford their government, government has to cut its expenses.

Come on now, who are you kidding?

If that were even the remotest possibility, if our government served anything but itself, if our politicians weren't self interested grifters out for nothing but draining as much as they can for themselves and their pet projects, then we might get to enjoy that reality.

Tax payers are nothing but fuel for the government machine. Get in the way, don't continue to produce for it and you're stripped of ownership rights and tossed into the scrap heap. Go find a homeless shelter while the rich guys divvy up what you worked decades to earn.

I mean, we can't have kids playing football in anything less than 15 million dollar high school stadiums, right? God knows we couldn't survive as a species without the unbridled tax and spend property tax system.

 

[jamil]

Come on now, who are you kidding?

If that were even the remotest possibility, if our government served anything but itself, if our politicians weren't self interested grifters out for nothing but draining as much as they can for themselves and their pet projects, then we might get to enjoy that reality.

Tax payers are nothing but fuel for the government machine. Get in the way, don't continue to produce for it and you're stripped of ownership rights and tossed into the scrap heap. Go find a homeless shelter while the rich guys divvy up what you worked decades to earn.

I mean, we can't have kids playing football in anything less than 15 million dollar high school stadiums, right? God knows we couldn't survive as a species without the unbridled tax and spend property tax system.

I know that no politician would favor a tax system that inherently forces fiscal responsibility. Because even the ones who campaign on fiscal responsibility don't really give a flying **** about it. Like the 2A, and abortion, and immigration, it's just a thing to fund-raise on, and campaign on every election cycle.

But, people should hold their feet to the fire.

 

[phylodog]

But, people should hold their feet to the fire.

I wish the people still had the power to do that.

 

[Flash-hider]

But, people should hold their feet to the fire.

Instead of their feet why not their head? The message might become a lot clearer a lot quicker.

 

[jamil]

Instead of their feet why not their head? The message might become a lot clearer a lot quicker.

Yeah, I get it. It's a figure of speech, though, But, the thought of holding heads to fires to help them consider their positions, is appealing.

 

[Ingomike]

Come on now, who are you kidding?

If that were even the remotest possibility, if our government served anything but itself, if our politicians weren't self interested grifters out for nothing but draining as much as they can for themselves and their pet projects, then we might get to enjoy that reality.

Tax payers are nothing but fuel for the government machine. Get in the way, don't continue to produce for it and you're stripped of ownership rights and tossed into the scrap heap. Go find a homeless shelter while the rich guys divvy up what you worked decades to earn.

I mean, we can't have kids playing football in anything less than 15 million dollar high school stadiums, right? God knows we couldn't survive as a species without the unbridled tax and spend property tax system.

Maybe you should rant at the real culprit, the people who vote for this. It is our government, the government the people voted for. When given a chance to specifically vote for or against school tax increases 60% pass. It’s not all government, it is the people’s fault…