Politically motivated violence thread

[2A_Tom]

Sorry for the click bait adds. I couldn't find an alternate site.

Antifa Plans Acid Attacks at July 6 Free Speech Rally


https://conservativefiringline.com/antifa-plans-acid-attacks-at-july-6-free-speech-rally/

I feel that acid attacks should have the same penalties as attempted murder.

Maiming (making a person incapable of armed service) was once a capital crime.

 

[Doug]

Seems like Antifa are now uniformed combatants engaging in terrorist attacks.
Some might think that justifies shooting them on sight.

 

[BugI02]

Assumption of Risk- you get what what you have coming to you.

Like going into your nation's consulate

 

[jamil]

Oh, don't worry Tom, the conservatives are putting their own spin on it, too.



The phrase "elderly man" carries a certain connotation that I don't think fits here. In fact, that elderly man seem more than fit enough to beat my ass in a fight.


The Tennessee Star shows the man with a face covered in blood walking away. Without any other context, one would assume this guy was just out for a walk and got the **** beat out of him for no reason.


However, in this article you can clearly see the same man in a heated argument with Antifa. A member of the Proud Boys? I don't know, but certainly not an innocent bystander.


To me, it seems like there's a serious turf war in PDX and the police are powerless to stop it.



EDIT: After wasting too much time looking into in, there's a whole lot of dumb-****ery all around. The "elderly man" was there to support the "Him Too" rally. As one can guess, Antifa outnumbers the right and is set on violence. Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer and others are open and welcoming to the violence and people get hurt.


What is it about PDX that this culture of violence is deemed acceptable (un)civil discourse?

At a certain point, you gotta wonder if the Oregon National Guard is going to have to step in.

National guard? How about just letting the police do their jobs? It’s not like we haven’t seen portland pull off a controversial rally before. The difference? Eh, some Antifa thugs got tear gas canisters shot up their asses for not dispersing after repeated warnings. Seems pretty obvious which side the Mayor is taking.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

National guard? How about just letting the police do their jobs? It’s not like we haven’t seen portland pull off a controversial rally before. The difference? Eh, some Antifa thugs got tear gas canisters shot up their asses for not dispersing after repeated warnings. Seems pretty obvious which side the Mayor is taking.

By "do their jobs", do you mean enforce the law and keep the peace and such, or do you mean the mayor commending them for standing down and letting the lawlessness commence without restriction? (Did the mayor order it, or did the police commanding officer on scene order it?)

 

[Brad69]

I mean this is really moving beyond “protests” that normally has a start in a singular event or flash point like the Watts riots, LA riots, and race riots and lynchings from the 1880’s to present.
One of the other categories would be labor strikes that were violent such as the 1905 Chicago Teamsters strike 21 dead over 400 wounded, 1921 Blair Mountain war and more.
Some kinda strange one off things States that almost fought wars over borders, The Zoot Suit Riot 1943, The Battle Of Athens 1946 where the citizens basically threw out a corrupt government with violence.

So we have a long history of civil unrest and violence this movement seems to be fundamentally different. With some exceptions of the Communist and Anarchist movements of the 1880’s to about 1940 most uprisings participants would have turned on anyone who declared the USA the enemy. That was not the change the unrest was attempting to achieve change in race relations, fair treatment, equality, labor relations.

This movement seems to be centered in hate of Ideology, Income Level, Race, and some sort of Communist/Socialist mentality that is foreign in US history.

I think we are entering a era of Low Intensity Conflict?
Do any smart INGO peoples have other Ideas?

U.S. Army Definition
Low intensity conflict is a political-military confrontation between contending states or groups below conventional war and above the routine, peaceful competition among states. It frequently involves protracted struggles of competing principles and ideologies. Low intensity conflict ranges from subversion to the use of violence. It is waged by a combination of means, employing political, economic, informational, and military instruments. Low intensity conflicts are often localized, generally in the Third World, but contain regional and global security implications.

 

[Doug]

Antifa and Proud Boys seem to be the same people. They are dissatisfied with their lives, they feel powerless and ignored, and they are angry because they are losers and they know it. So, they abuse others in ways that require no courage and no personal responsibility for their actions.
They are children throwing tantrums and beating up the younger, weaker kids or kicking the cat.

 

[Nazgul]

Bunch of yokels who found a way to be violent with local gov non interference. Hard to believe the LEOs are not wanting to enforce order. The mayor is a political hack so he is getting away with what he can.

Where are the citizens demanding his recall??

Don

 

[actaeon277]

Bunch of yokels who found a way to be violent with local gov non interference. Hard to believe the LEOs are not wanting to enforce order. The mayor is a political hack so he is getting away with what he can.

Where are the citizens demanding his recall??

Don

 

[actaeon277]

[video=youtube;fLgKN1ij8eM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLgKN1ij8eM[/video]

 

[jamil]

By "do their jobs", do you mean enforce the law and keep the peace and such, or do you mean the mayor commending them for standing down and letting the lawlessness commence without restriction? (Did the mayor order it, or did the police commanding officer on scene order it?)

The Mayor is also the police commissioner. He told them to stand down.

 

[2A_Tom]

The police got smacked down after taking action in 2017. WWYD?

[video=youtube;QGDrTeCmlVs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGDrTeCmlVs[/video]

 

[Brad69]

I know someone will disagree but IMO Portland is a wacko town it has a feel to it like all the people are not quite as smart as they think they are.
Its kinda like if all the hippies moved there and made a town I haven’t been to Portland in about 10 years and would never travel voluntarily to “Hippie Ville”
That being said the Mayor is a ”Hippie” and believes everything will be ok! The Police also seem not to be a very effective force and have backed away from fights before.
BTW The Mayor is out of the country on vacation!
[FONT=&quot]She also noted the difficulty police have in trying to intervene in violence, particularly when some in the crowd are carrying weapons, including collapsible batons, projectiles and guns.
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https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/20...-portland-puts-police-mayor-on-defensive.html

 

[2A_Tom]

When I was in the army I had two buddies from Oregon, they seemed OK, but that was around 40 years ago.

 

[Brad69]

The rest of Oregon is fine it’s just the Portland area that’s overrun with freaks.

 

[drillsgt]

I know someone will disagree but IMO Portland is a wacko town it has a feel to it like all the people are not quite as smart as they think they are.
Its kinda like if all the hippies moved there and made a town I haven’t been to Portland in about 10 years and would never travel voluntarily to “Hippie Ville”
That being said the Mayor is a ”Hippie” and believes everything will be ok! The Police also seem not to be a very effective force and have backed away from fights before.
BTW The Mayor is out of the country on vacation!
[FONT=&amp]She also noted the difficulty police have in trying to intervene in violence, particularly when some in the crowd are carrying weapons, including collapsible batons, projectiles and guns.
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https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/20...-portland-puts-police-mayor-on-defensive.html

I went there last year for a work conference, I would never go for the fun of it. Driving from the airport to downtown along the highway up in the woods you see a lot of encampments and tons of trash along the treeline etc (so much for the environment). It seems like every corner had some freak espousing some sort of cause of the day.

 

[JettaKnight]

[video=youtube;TZt-pOc3moc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZt-pOc3moc[/video]

 

[JettaKnight]

[video=youtube_share;0_HGqPGp9iY]http://youtu.be/0_HGqPGp9iY[/video]

 

[Alpo]

Where are all the minorities in those videos? Are they legal without minorities and sexual deviancy?

 

[JettaKnight]

Where are all the minorities in those videos? Are they legal without minorities and sexual deviancy?

Those were all made pre-Trump, when Protland was (still is?) predominately an enclave of white hipsters.

The choir is the Portland Gay Men's Choir, so that covers the sexual deviancy.