Politically motivated violence thread

[Alpo]

A common thief is a bully? Furthermore, I don't recall anyone defending his actions. Not sure where you're going with this example.

Sometimes...it ain't about you. I responded to Printcraft's shock and horror at some idiot ripping down a sign, and he asked for an example of similar idiocy on the conservative side. I provided this.

But, when these petty acts are sufficient to raise the ire of others on a national level, John Wayne wept.

 

[Alpo]

Alpo’s post from above is what I’m referring to as what I believe is a made up ruse in order to illustrate a point about other members trying to pin all liberal’s as the root cause of societal ills such as producing a majority of gang bullies in this case.

I saw his claim as flipping the script on you guys because he took offense to the constant attempts at the lumping all liberals in with the fringe.

That was my take anyway. Could be wrong.

 

[Dead Duck]

Can we go back to this?


What makes you think the kids are liberals? And the kids are well below the age of 18, so...

Of course, you "can't see a bunch of children from conservative families doing **** like this" because you are a conservative and your side is pure, honest, & upright. It's your enemy that is evil, immoral, & unruly.

Let's be honest, this has more to do with parenting (e.g. likely lack of both a mother & father w/ good skills), rather political persuasion.



Also, /r/suspiciousquotes: is "Liberals" suppose to be code for something when in quotes?

Liberals' Kids....
Kids birthed from liberal families. Eventually (if they grow up) the kids will end up being liberals themselves but for argument sake.

Liberals... Progressives.... Democrats.... As there are differences between them this week, they are all the same to me.
To use their own stupid term....kinda..... Leftists are Fluid.

 

[BugI02]

I just read this part of the discussion again, and it doesn't appear anyone fell for anything, really. Nor did I think Alpo was trying to ruse anyone. I think he mixed up some evidence which wasn't as relevant as maybe he thought. An honest miscue. [And then he went all PeeWee Herman and claimed he meant to do that] One could say that saying bullies come from liberal parents is tossing out a made up claim.

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[jamil]

Liberals' Kids....
Kids birthed from liberal families. Eventually (if they grow up) the kids will end up being liberals themselves but for argument sake.

Liberals... Progressives.... Democrats.... As there are differences between them this week, they are all the same to me.
To use their own stupid term....kinda..... Leftists are Fluid.

No. Just because they come from liberal families doesn’t mean they’ll grow up to be liberals anymore than raising kids to be Christians means they’ll be Christians. Parents do influence their kids’ ideology at least a little, but there are other factors as well.

The crazy leftists acting like bullies is something different. They really believe they’re fighting something on the same level as real ass Nazis. To them it’s a real war against fascists. Bullies are something different. They usually pick on people who are weaker than themselves and for different reasons.

 

[BugI02]

Oh, I don't know.

From the outside, the bad apples are always the ones seen and lead us to infer the whole group is bad. Be they liberals, Muslims, Christians, Gun owners, Buckeye Fans... it's easy to point to offenders then label the whole group.

Of course, from the inside it's the opposite - "no, no, we're not like those people. They don't represent us." .... But in these cases, the left is incredibly silent...

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[printcraft]

Sometimes...it ain't about you. I responded to Printcraft's shock and horror at some idiot ripping down a sign, and he asked for an example of similar idiocy on the conservative side. I provided this.

But, when these petty acts are sufficient to raise the ire of others on a national level, John Wayne wept.

Those were just the most recent posted. Please give this thread a review and you will surely see a lefty propensity for violence FAR outweighing “conservative bullies” activities.

Unless you believe juicy smollett.

 

[jamil]

Those were just the most recent posted. Please give this thread a review and you will surely see a lefty propensity for violence FAR outweighing “conservative bullies” activities.

Unless you believe juicy smollett.

Yeah, but it’s appearance in this thread isn’t necessarily representative of the actual proportion. No one’s seriously talking about right wing violence in this thread, yet it happens. That said, I do think that violence from the left is headed more mainstream as media convinces everyone they’re surrounded by Nazis.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Yeah, but it’s appearance in this thread isn’t necessarily representative of the actual proportion. No one’s seriously talking about right wing violence in this thread, yet it happens. That said, I do think that violence from the left is headed more mainstream as media convinces everyone they’re surrounded by Nazis.

They say we are Nazis...so, ok, I won't disappoint them. If they bring trouble looking for me, I'll shoot them with the Luger instead of the Colt or S&W. Is that Nazi enough for them?

 

[JettaKnight]

Liberals' Kids....
Kids birthed from liberal families. Eventually (if they grow up) the kids will end up being liberals themselves but for argument sake.

Liberals... Progressives.... Democrats.... As there are differences between them this week, they are all the same to me.
To use their own stupid term....kinda..... Leftists are Fluid.

You evaded the question: Why do you think those kids are liberals?

 

[Dead Duck]

You evaded the question: Why do you think those kids are liberals?

Those kids are just punk kids.
Their parents are liberals and so the kids will probably be liberals also. I base this on growing up in LA with gangs and that gang mentality. Out of all the street punks I knew and/or heard of, every one of them had leftist families and ended up being liberals themselves. It's just what it was then and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

And why? I have no ****ing clue. Stupidity? Free stuff?
They were always against "The Man" and yet the left is more gov and that means more Man.... Most did drugs and the left is OK with drugs so maybe that?

 

[Brad69]

Let me see if I am picking up what Alpo is laying down?

Just because a person has left or middle of the road views they are not the same as a Antifa or John Brown member.
The issue with that suggestion was clearly demonstrated here in Perry County by a sign posted by the Democratic Party.

“Perry County Democrats are supporters of the 2nd Amendment and the right to bear arms”

While the local Democrats are supporters of the 2AD and many are anti abortion along with holding many conservative values the national party is not inline with them this is costing the party voters.

Left = Socialist/Communist
Right = Nazi/Fascist

The MSM has labeled the right as a Nazi or Fascist and many on the left have decided they are in fact Socialist or embrace Socialist policies.
Lines are being drawn and people in the middle are being left out, the challenge is can a person not “pick a side” ?

 

[JettaKnight]

Those kids are just punk kids.
Their parents are liberals and so the kids will probably be liberals also. I base this on growing up in LA with gangs and that gang mentality. Out of all the street punks I knew and/or heard of, every one of them had leftist families and ended up being liberals themselves. It's just what it was then and I don't see it changing anytime soon.

And why? I have no ****ing clue. Stupidity? Free stuff?
They were always against "The Man" and yet the left is more gov and that means more Man.... Most did drugs and the left is OK with drugs so maybe that?

I think you've confused liberal with libertarian.

 

[Alpo]

I think it's possible to not choose a party; however, that's not necessarily the case with issues. Although the older I get the more often issues fall into the "Don't Care" or "Grey Zone".

One of the interesting bits was in that chart I posted above. The largest number of domestic terrorism incidents occurred in 1970 at the height of protests against the Vietnam War (before you ask, I was on active duty at the time). The incidents were driven by anarchists on the left, but many individuals, both democrats and republicans were leaning against the war by that time and most of the youth subject to the draft were opposed to serving. 1970 - Kent State. 1971 - published Pentagon Papers. End of 72/Beg of 73 - end of Draft.

Are there any events today that could stir the nation in the same way the 1960's did? I, personally, don't see it. Trump was cleared by Mueller, no matter how some on the left want to paint it and call for an impeachment inquiry. The trade sanctions aren't something that will rally the citizenry. And I doubt there is a consensus among the Joint Chiefs that hostilities with Iran leading to a ground war in southwest Asia is a good idea, no matter how much Trump thumps his chest. 2019 civil rights complaints PALE against the forces at play in the early 60's.

And yes, the media/left-wing democrats are driving people out of the party. Count me as one of those who will probably never go back. But that doesn't mean my view of the nature of the obligations of the individual to society and vice-verse have changed to any great degree.

 

[Dead Duck]

I think you've confused liberal with libertarian.

I'm good.
Liberals/Democrats/Leftest - They do drugs, admit they do drugs and have no problems with legalizing drugs.
Libertarians just do more drugs.

I think it's possible to not choose a party; however, that's not necessarily the case with issues. Although the older I get the more often issues fall into the "Don't Care" or "Grey Zone".

One of the interesting bits was in that chart I posted above. The largest number of domestic terrorism incidents occurred in 1970 at the height of protests against the Vietnam War (before you ask, I was on active duty at the time). The incidents were driven by anarchists on the left, but many individuals, both democrats and republicans were leaning against the war by that time and most of the youth subject to the draft were opposed to serving. 1970 - Kent State. 1971 - published Pentagon Papers. End of 72/Beg of 73 - end of Draft.

Are there any events today that could stir the nation in the same way the 1960's did? I, personally, don't see it. Trump was cleared by Mueller, no matter how some on the left want to paint it and call for an impeachment inquiry. The trade sanctions aren't something that will rally the citizenry. And I doubt there is a consensus among the Joint Chiefs that hostilities with Iran leading to a ground war in southwest Asia is a good idea, no matter how much Trump thumps his chest. 2019 civil rights complaints PALE against the forces at play in the early 60's.

And yes, the media/left-wing democrats are driving people out of the party. Count me as one of those who will probably never go back. But that doesn't mean my view of the nature of the obligations of the individual to society and vice-verse have changed to any great degree.

Just ask yourself.....
Who would my guns vote for.

I'm being serious. I was in CA most my life and my guns survival was critical over there. Remember that I had to deal with gun bans years before it hit the national stage. I have never looked at any candidate as anything other than "Who is the best person for my guns rights". That is all I've ever cared about.... Period. Everything else just comes secondary. Have they ever been perfect? Nope. But I have never let my guns down when their rights are on the line.

 

[two70]

I'm good.
Liberals/Democrats/Leftest - They do drugs, admit they do drugs and have no problems with legalizing drugs.
Libertarians just do more drugs.

I thought the difference was that Liberals/leftists want free everything while Libertarians mostly just want free drugs.

 

[KLB]

As if conservatives don't do drugs.

 

[2A_Tom]

I do insulin, metformin, amlodopine, lisinopril HCTZ, OTC analgesics and caffeine.

 

[IndyDave1776]

I do insulin, metformin, amlodopine, lisinopril HCTZ, OTC analgesics and caffeine.

I am with you. Metformin, Glipizide, Januvia, Zetia, Lipitor, Coreg, Aldactone, Lisinopril, and low dose aspirin.

 

[Mikey1911]

As if conservatives don't do drugs.

I tend to subscribe to the tenet “Reality is for people who can’t handle ‘recreational’ drugs”.

“Using a metabolic poison as a recreational drug is not logical.”
—Leonard McCoy, MD, in the novelization of “Star Trek III: The Search for Spock”, referring to ethanol.