Paypal - froze our accounts and funds

[bwframe]

Is PayPal really antigun? Or do they just CHOOSE not to handle transactions for firearms and related items?

 

[stephen87]

Even better, doc.

McMillan Merchant Solutions | Your Second Amendment Friendly Merchant Processor

It's run by the same people that make McMillan fiberglass stocks.

 

[Trigger Time]

Is PayPal really antigun? Or do they just CHOOSE not to handle transactions for firearms and related items?

Yes they and ebay (same company) are anti gun anti American and refuse
to accept gun money transactions

 

[lonehoosier]

Ah, so no discussions about things on this discussion forum? I'm just sour grapes about our funds being held. With as many "don't go here ot there because guns aren't allowed threads" it's just odd that we accomodate paypal. Maybe it's hypocritical, or maybe it's just seeing clearly without a profit motive getting in the way now.

So because of your sour grapes you think INGO shouldn't take PayPal. Let the free market make that division for INGO not your sour grapes.

 

[bwframe]

Yes they and ebay (same company) are anti gun anti American...

Got some links to verify this?

 

[jedi]

Very easy to accept credit cards online, and cheaper than paypal.

From which other source? I would be very interested to know this information.
Do those other sources allow for subscription based donations like PayPal does?

I never let funds sit in my paypal account. Why even give them the opportunity to hold/freeze your money?

This! I manage a PayPal account for an online gaming organization and we keep the bare min in PayPal (enough to pay the bills) and move everything else to a Chase Savings account which is NOT linked to the PayPal account. We have a Chase checking account again with bare min. linked to the PayPal account so that if PayPal attempts to pull from the linked account they get $1 and nothing else.

We learned the hard way 4 years ago about PayPal trying to take money from us that was linked to our offline account.

 

[hoosierdoc]

So because of your sour grapes you think INGO shouldn't take PayPal. Let the free market make that division for INGO not your sour grapes.

Do you post this on every thread where people say they were kicked out of a restaurant for carrying a gun?

I empty the account several times a day, but since it's a weekend the funds never left since no ACH happens on non-banking days. This is why they were able to hold so much.

 

[sepe]

Paypal must be anti Native American because they don't accept transactions involving Native American artifacts.

 

[hoosierdoc]

Paypal must be anti Native American because they don't accept transactions involving Native American artifacts.

As do many Native American objects, these masks raise an important question for all collectors of Native American objects: When is it legal for individuals to buy and sell, or even own, such Native American objects?
The question is a simple one, but its answer is complicated, requiring a careful reading of the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA). NAGPRA is a federal law passed in 1990 that provides a process for museums and federal agencies to return certain Native American "cultural items"—human remains, funerary objects, sacred objects, or objects of cultural patrimony—to lineal descendants or Indian tribes. Museums and federal agencies are almost always the ones challenged or prosecuted under the law.
The law, however, also forbids the buying and selling of these particular objects on the market—which is where the law applies to individual collectors.

Buying and Selling Native Artifacts | Tips of the Trade | Antiques Roadshow | PBS

seems more like them trying to avoid federal law issues. Perhaps that's the issue here too.

 

[GLOCKMAN23C]

Nope Fornicate Paypal

^^^^This^^^^

 

[Hoosierkav]

Seems lousy they can hold your funds, versus just cancelling your account for selling legal items.

 

[BogWalker]

So because of your sour grapes you think INGO shouldn't take PayPal. Let the free market make that division for INGO not your sour grapes.

So we aren't allowed to voice our opinions? If nobody talks against it it would never be changed. Complaints are as big a part of the free market as sales are. Are we just supposed to sit there and take it when a product or service performs below our standards?

 

[bwframe]

Seems lousy they can hold your funds, versus just cancelling your account for selling legal items.

How is this laid out in their TOS, that is accepted before you are allowed to do business with them?

 

[jedi]

Buying and Selling Native Artifacts | Tips of the Trade | Antiques Roadshow | PBS

seems more like them trying to avoid federal law issues. Perhaps that's the issue here too.

Could be since they are not a bank (per federal law) and like to operate like a bank but have been so far been able to fly under the banking regulations.

 

[wtfd661]

Nope Fornicate Paypal

Yep!

 

[Trigger Time]

Got some links to verify this?

Can you read? And use google? Actions sleek louder than words. Their actions explain their motives.

 

[hoosierdoc]

update:

It will continue to be limited but you now have the ability to withdraw funds.

.

 

[stephen87]

From PayPal TOS

[h=3]9. Restricted Activities.[/h]9.1 Restricted Activities. In connection with your use of our website, your Account, the PayPal Services, or in the course of your interactions with PayPal, other Users, or third parties, you will not:

1. Breach this Agreement, the Commercial Entity Agreement, the Acceptable Use Policy or any other agreement or policy that you have agreed to with PayPal;
2. Violate any law, statute, ordinance, or regulation (for example, those governing financial services, consumer protections, unfair competition, anti-discrimination or false advertising);
3. Infringe PayPal's or any third party's copyright, patent, trademark, trade secret or other intellectual property rights, or rights of publicity or privacy;
4. Sell counterfeit goods;
5. Act in a manner that is defamatory, trade libelous, threatening or harassing;
6. Provide false, inaccurate or misleading information;
7. Send or receive what we reasonably believe to be potentially fraudulent funds;
8. Refuse to cooperate in an investigation or provide confirmation of your identity or any Information you provide to us;
9. Attempt to double dip during the course of a dispute by receiving or attempting to receive funds from both PayPal and the Seller, bank or credit card issuer for the same transaction;
10. Control an Account that is linked to another Account that has engaged in any of these Restricted Activities;
11. Conduct your business or use the PayPal Services in a manner that results in or may result in complaints, Disputes, Claims, Reversals, Chargebacks, fees, fines, penalties or other liability to PayPal, other Users, third parties or you;
12. Have a credit score from a credit reporting agency that indicates a high level of risk associated with your use of the PayPal Services;
13. Use your Account or the PayPal Services in a manner that PayPal, Visa, MasterCard, American Express, Discover or any other electronic funds transfer network reasonably believes to be an abuse of the card system or a violation of card association or network rules;
14. Allow your Account to have a negative Balance;
15. Provide yourself a cash advance from your credit card (or help others to do so);
16. Access the PayPal Services from a country that is not included on PayPal's permitted countries list;
17. Take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on our infrastructure; facilitate any viruses, Trojan horses, worms or other computer programming routines that may damage, detrimentally interfere with, surreptitiously intercept or expropriate any system, data or Information; use an anonymizing proxy; use any robot, spider, other automatic device, or manual process to monitor or copy our website without our prior written permission; or use any device, software or routine to bypass our robot exclusion headers, or interfere or attempt to interfere with our website or the PayPal Services;
18. Take any action that may cause us to lose any of the services from our Internet service providers, payment processors, or other suppliers;
19. Use the PayPal Services to test credit card behaviors;
20. Circumvent any PayPal policy or determinations about your Account such as temporary or indefinite suspensions or other Account holds, limitations or restrictions, including, but not limited to, engaging in the following actions: attempting to create new or additional PayPal Account(s) when an Account has a negative balance or has been restricted, suspended or otherwise limited; creating new or additional PayPal Accounts using information that is not your own (e.g. name, address, email address, etc.); or using someone else’s PayPal Account;
21. Harass our employees, agents, or other users.

I'm not finding anything about firearms or ammunition.

 

[lonehoosier]

Do you post this on every thread where people say they were kicked out of a restaurant for carrying a gun?

I empty the account several times a day, but since it's a weekend the funds never left since no ACH happens on non-banking days. This is why they were able to hold so much.

Only if they carry in a restaurant that is know to be anti gun, kinda've like using PayPal when you know they are anti gun.

 

[bwframe]

Can you read? And use google? ...

You stated your opinion as fact. I just asked for you to back up your words. Can you or not?