OC Black Friday Meet and Lunch 11/26/10 Discussion Thread

[sj kahr k40]

LOL, I even contacted a lawyer and a police officer to be sure that I am correct.

Thats how I roll.

I talked to few prosecutors and judges about IDing oneself, they all say the same thing, don't have to unless your violated an infraction or broken a law.

 

[Joe Williams]

There are far more percentage of people every day commiting crimes than police officers.

Then why are we doing this walk with long guns, then? It doesn't appear to be needed.

 

[Pocketman]

He can ask all he wants but you dont have to give it to him.

I keep asking for a link of the IC, its not there because it doesnt exist.

If its not in the IC then it doesnt apply to Indiana residents.

Been a long time since I've made use of any of this, but I think Terry upheld that officers can ask for ID.

IC 34-28-5-3
Detention
Sec. 3. Whenever a law enforcement officer believes in good faith that a person has committed an infraction or ordinance violation, the law enforcement officer may detain that person for a time sufficient to:
(1) inform the person of the allegation;
(2) obtain the person's:
(A) name, address, and date of birth; or
(B) driver's license, if in the person's possession; and
(3) allow the person to execute a notice to appear.
As added by P.L.1-1998, SEC.24.

IC 34-28-5-3.5
Refusal to identify self
Sec. 3.5. A person who knowingly or intentionally refuses to provide either the person's:
(1) name, address, and date of birth; or
(2) driver's license, if in the person's possession;
to a law enforcement officer who has stopped the person for an infraction or ordinance violation commits a Class C misdemeanor.
As added by P.L.1-1998, SEC.24.

 

[henktermaat]

Yea, thats not fair at all. I know some very honorable officers that I consider friends and would do what ever I could if they needed help.

Yep- you've got good and bad, just like with civvies. I assume nothing, with cautious optimism.

 

[OneBadV8]

No. They aren't all bad. Only the ones who would harrass law abiding citizens. Sadly, they've proven they are out there, and their fellow officers haven't been willing to bring them to heel.

I do agree some of them aren't as educated on some laws that they should know. However, they are also following orders to some degree.

I'm not disagreeing that the ones who harass you do not know the law, but I wouldn't call them corrupt. They just need you to nicely explain it to them so they learn something in a positive way and don't stop the next guy they see carrying.

 

[Joe Williams]

Been a long time since I've made use of any of this, but I think Terry upheld that officers can ask for ID.

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Nothing there requires me to carry or provide paper ID.

 

[ATF Consumer]

Been a long time since I've made use of any of this, but I think Terry upheld that officers can ask for ID.

IC 34-28-5-3
Detention
Sec. 3. Whenever a law enforcement officer believes in good faith that a person has committed an infraction or ordinance violation, the law enforcement officer may detain that person for a time sufficient to:
(1) inform the person of the allegation;
(2) obtain the person's:
(A) name, address, and date of birth; or
(B) driver's license, if in the person's possession; and
(3) allow the person to execute a notice to appear.
As added by P.L.1-1998, SEC.24.

IC 34-28-5-3.5
Refusal to identify self
Sec. 3.5. A person who knowingly or intentionally refuses to provide either the person's:
(1) name, address, and date of birth; or
(2) driver's license, if in the person's possession;
to a law enforcement officer who has stopped the person for an infraction or ordinance violation commits a Class C misdemeanor.
As added by P.L.1-1998, SEC.24.

So as long as there is no infraction or violation, those codes are useless.

 

[sj kahr k40]

So as long as there is no infraction or violation, those codes are useless.

That's the way I read it

 

[IndyMonkey]

Sec. 3. Whenever a law enforcement officer believes in good faith that a person has committed an infraction or ordinance violation.

Seeing someone carry a long arm is not a crime and there is no good faith to believe that someone that is has committed a crime.

 

[sj kahr k40]

Seeing someone carry a long arm is not a crime and there is no good faith to believe that someone that is has committed a crime.

+1

 

[IndyMonkey]

Then why are we doing this walk with long guns, then? It doesn't appear to be needed.

Because its too cold to OC handguns.

 

[dom1104]

Huh. I had no idea Joe hated cops so much. Gosh. Lets not turn this into a Anti-Police rally.

I have really never met a policeman I DIDNT like, after getting to know him.

Most of them are pretty stand up guys really.

 

[IndyMonkey]

Huh. I had no idea Joe hated cops so much. Gosh. Lets not turn this into a Anti-Police rally.

I have really never met a policeman I DIDNT like, after getting to know him.

Most of them are pretty stand up guys really.

Yep.

 

[henktermaat]

Huh. I had no idea Joe hated cops so much. Gosh. Lets not turn this into a Anti-Police rally.

I have really never met a policeman I DIDNT like, after getting to know him.

Most of them are pretty stand up guys really.

Joe is a vocal guy. I'm positive he doesn't hate cops. He does tend to get fired up about the bad apples though

 

[sj kahr k40]

Huh. I had no idea Joe hated cops so much. Gosh. Lets not turn this into a Anti-Police rally.

I have really never met a policeman I DIDNT like, after getting to know him.

Most of them are pretty stand up guys really.

There are a few police officers that I've known for years that are complete asses, but most I know or have known are great guys doing a difficult job

 

[sj kahr k40]

Huh. I had no idea Joe hated cops so much. Gosh. Lets not turn this into a Anti-Police rally.

I have really never met a policeman I DIDNT like, after getting to know him.

Most of them are pretty stand up guys really.

It will not be an anti-police rally, we are walking to educate the public

 

[MrsGungho]

My assumption is based that until proven otherwise, someone openly carrying a gun is a threat. Walk into a Village Pantry with a shotgun and tell me if the guy behind the counter looks happy to see you.

Is this really that hard to understand?

I walk into the BP every morning with my HK visible on my side. It scares the manager so much he counts the cash for the ATM machine in front of me. Jokes about how his day has been, he carries the cash through the store and puts it in the ATM.. A gun does not make a threat. A threat is taking said gun out of holster and demanding all of your money or your wife to lay down so she can be raped... etc etc.

 

[44 MAGNUM SHOOTER]

Yep- I've never seen red go into the second color before

I bet that is really Sarah Brady.

 

[Joe Williams]

Huh. I had no idea Joe hated cops so much. Gosh. Lets not turn this into a Anti-Police rally.

I have really never met a policeman I DIDNT like, after getting to know him.

Most of them are pretty stand up guys really.

Joe doesn't hate cops.

As a former cop, he hates corrupt cops with a burning passion.

Get your facts straight for a change.

 

[dom1104]

Joe doesn't hate cops.

As a former cop, he hates corrupt cops with a burning passion.

Get your facts straight for a change.

ooo burn! <sizzle>

Sorry I did not know your personal history man. geez. I will make sure to hire a investigator next time, get a full bio, and then post