OC Black Friday Meet and Lunch 11/26/10 Discussion Thread

[Fenway]

uhh.... ya

To be fair, the discussion has gone way outside planning the event LOL.

 

[ATF Consumer]

Nah. I love Tracy and he knows that. He's a pain in my arse, but he's still an INGOer. He likes to keep us on our toes.

 

[bwframe]

not in the event section

My apologies.

 

[SirRealism]

Wow. This thing really took a dive. I just saw the video.

Check out the comments below the story. Comment if you like. :-)

Some Question Gun Enthusiasts' Black Friday Walk Downtown - Indiana News Story - WRTV Indianapolis

 

[Lars]

The Boss use his line item Veto pen on my "trim the thread" plans.

 

[Fenway]

SJ Khar has asked that this thread in it's entirety be moved and he is starting a new one (on topic only) in the events forum

 

[cornfused]

Seems to be alot of good information floating around in here with some good intent. Try to keep an open mind guys, some people are making some good points that may be clouded by your current anger.


And Techres, that was an excellent post!

 

[henktermaat]

"Normal" to "shock and fear" has been a slow evolution, but I'd say that Columbine sped things up quite a bit.

The OC thread says otherwise.

 

[ironjaw]

ibtl

 

[MACHINEGUN]

That's the whoooooooole problem here. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE focuses on the negative. It's what delayed the first Walk and it's what kept many from coming to the last two. It's likely what will keep people away from subsequent events until people start focusing on how to make it a dream come true.

Yeah, that was the only problem!

 

[esrice]

The OC thread says otherwise.

Given the isolated nature of the incidents reported in that thread I would agree. In fact, I doubt most people even notice a gun to freak out about in the first place.

However, a group of 10-20 individuals carrying handguns and rifles during the busiest shopping day of the year in a major metropolitan city is a bit different.

 

[bwframe]

ibtl

Hmm, Carry Issues and Self Defense.

Am I allowed to speak again?

 

[henktermaat]

Given the isolated nature of the incidents reported in that thread I would agree. In fact, I doubt most people even notice a gun to freak out about in the first place.

However, a group of 10-20 individuals carrying handguns and rifles during the busiest shopping day of the year in a major metropolitan city is a bit different.

I concur, but there's no proof that it'll be a screaming fear-filled failure.

The fences are in your mind man... in your miiiiiiiind...

 

[esrice]

Am I allowed to speak again?

Burl, do you have something you'd like to share with the class?

 

[esrice]

I concur, but there's no proof that it'll be a screaming fear-filled failure.

Agreed. I wish everyone in attendance the best. I hope they remember that, in the eye of the public, they will be representing each and every one of us out there.

 

[POC]

Poc you need no ID if you aren't breaking the law, OCing a long gun is perfectly legal, I plan on just carrying my rifle and no handgun therefore I won't be giving the cops my ID

I know it *is* legal. But would expedite ANY problem being resolved quicker if you had one.

No sir, I am most empatically NOT "illegal" as per the laws of Indiana if I choose not to carry my LTCH or any other ID with me, so long as I am not carrying a hangun. I do not intend to carry a handgun.

And I do know that you don't have to have anything if you're not carrying. I misunderstood that you both were going to be carrying....

 

[SavageEagle]

Excuse me, but I skipped page 7 (40ppp). If I missed something there I'm sorry.

From the support we have seen out of the 12k plus members...looks like Indiana will be a repeat of Louisiana during Katrina if a real disaster ever hits this state.

Completely agree.

Just to put everyone at ease the 1 rule that will be followed no matter what is,

SE is not allowed to talk to the media!

Again, completely agree. I have a bad complexion and I tend to stutter under pressure.

bound him and gag him!@!!!!!!!!

THIS!

Not sure what to make of this. I asked Ed Coleman about his part of the story..



For the record, this was on the front page of his Facebook, and public...

Yea, it's not there anymore. Figures.

Not quite. He said he found it out from INGO. If he'd read it for himself, I don't think he would have been able to reach that conclusion. His quote is below... read the whole thing.

So the Mods ARE planning something but refuse to get involved in THIS to make sure it goes well. GREAT JOB GUYS!

I don't know how to put this gracefully, so I'll be blunt;
You don't know what you are doing!
You are reacting as opposed to acting!
You are not ready for this!

My sincere advice to you folks;
Stop, drop and roll.
You may not be able to recover this event. Does it make more sense to abandon what seems to be a pending negative? Do you have the nads to back out of a bad situation, to regroup, reorganize and come back learning from your mistakes?

Really? I think the first two went fine. There's only ONE variable here that makes this one different and it's not Black Friday. It's the early media attention. It has YOU scared. We're not ready for this? YOU'RE not ready for this. In my organized events, we ALWAYS had a media spokesman or TWO in the group. I also encouraged this in the beginning of this one.

You know what? I think we'll be just fine. It'll be OK. We have no intentions of being arrested, IMPD was to be notified that we would be there, but did not want and would not accept escorts, and a media spokesman has been chosen. Everyone knows the talking points and why we're out there. I think it's YOU that has no idea what you're doing.

I don't mean for this to be a personal attack, but more of a "returning the favor" post for you. You may not have been meaning to, but your post was insulting and I did take it very personal.

The following is my opinion. I don't want to put words in peoples mouths. I'm only speaking for me.




If I were looking to affect change in Indianapolis, I think I'd be making donations to the campaign to re-elect Ed Coleman. Or offer to volunteer on his campaign team. At least you know he's willing to push the issue with the City County Council, and has a track record of doing so.

But that's just me. What do I know.

Since you refuse to have a civil discussion on Facebook where you don't have the power of the ban hammer, I will take my chances here.

This is the difference between you and I. You rely on Politicians to do your bidding. You want government to take care of these matters. What you fail to realize is that PEOPLE take care of these matters. How can you convince a politician to take your side when 99% of the rest of his constituents either oppose you or are completely clueless and don't care? You have to win the people over. Educate them. Show them the truth the media and your beloved politicians will not.

Or, do you really realize this since the INGO Staff is working with Ed Coleman to hold a separate rally while condemning this event? I mean, you can't deny it if your beloved Libertarian friend is saying so on Facebook that you guys are working together on your own rally.

But, wait, I thought INGO was apolitical? I thought INGO had no interest in education? I thought INGO was an organization with the SOLE intent to be a gathering place? It seems it's not so.

So why, then, are you condemning us instead of helping us? It makes absolutely NO sense whatsoever.

Take this post as you will, but I'm just trying to understand something I thought I was "Crystal" on.

 

[esrice]

Or, do you really realize this since the INGO Staff is working with Ed Coleman to hold a separate rally while condemning this event? I mean, you can't deny it if your beloved Libertarian friend is saying so on Facebook that you guys are working together on your own rally.

There still seems to be some confusion on what you're reading.

The INGO Staff (Admin and Mods) aren't planning any sort of event, political or otherwise, with Ed Coleman or anyone else.

I know that Lars holds a position with the Libertarian party, but I can't speak to any dealings he has with them personally.

You're looking for blood where there is none.

 

[Joe Williams]

There still seems to be some confusion on what you're reading.

The INGO Staff (Admin and Mods) aren't planning any sort of event, political or otherwise, with Ed Coleman or anyone else.

I know that Lars holds a position with the Libertarian party, but I can't speak to any dealings he has with them personally.

You're looking for blood where there is none.

What he is reading seems pretty clear. Now, if Mr Coleman lied, that's another matter, one ya'll might want to ask him to clear up.

Yes I did. I found out from the INGunOwners forum that these guys intend to push the law to the limit in hopes of getting arrested. That is not the way to get your message across and may even hurt my efforts with the other councilors to get the handgun bans lifted. I have talked to moderators of the INGunOwners forum. I was asked to help put together an effective rally to help our cause. Not this in your face stuff these guys are planning. That will just create anger toward our cause.

That's Mr Coleman's quote, I bolded the relevant part.

 

[SavageEagle]

There still seems to be some confusion on what you're reading.

The INGO Staff (Admin and Mods) aren't planning any sort of event, political or otherwise, with Ed Coleman or anyone else.

I know that Lars holds a position with the Libertarian party, but I can't speak to any dealings he has with them personally.

You're looking for blood where there is none.

I'm not looking for anything. I thought we were Crystal Clear. Then I read about Ed Coleman being asked to organize a separate rally by the INGO MODS.... Maybe there is, maybe there isn't, but why would he say such a thing? Politicians don't publicly say such things if there isn't some truth to it.

Beyond this, if you won't join us and help us as INGO, why not as individuals? If the concern is there, why not help?