NWI Ingo General Post

[Woodrow]

So how many people can we get to promise to show up, no excuses for work or being sick? and How many would be enough?

What is "enough" and what is the end goal, brother--those are the questions. We have the right to open-carry in Indiana, and while I understand the idea of solidarity, 10 or even 100 doesn't make the cut. Open-carry or not, I don't care, but when we do our damnedest to demonstrate that we are a vast and insignificant minority, we're shooting ourselves in the foot and Hell on the pun.

I am not afraid to open-carry. I'm not interested in hiding behind the numbers, but I'm also not interested in making a mockery of what has been achieved up to this point. I'm down with the enthusiasm, but you're right, the numbers aren't there. If you work on it for three to six months, get 10,000 people to commit, and 3000 show up, then we've got something. Is that possible? Judging by the number of people on this site claiming to be gun owners, I think so, but who knows. I'm all for unity, but I won't sabotage the movement by creating a spectacle for the socialist media to exploit.

 

[PatriotPride]

I'm curious as to just what would be considered a "spectacle"??? I OC daily, and aside from a few incidents with ignorant police officers and citizens, I haven't had any issues.

I wouldn't mind a decent OC event in Porter County. The police in this area or woefully ignorant, as well as many normal people.

 

[Woodrow]

I'm curious as to just what would be considered a "spectacle"??? I OC daily, and aside from a few incidents with ignorant police officers and citizens, I haven't had any issues.

The "spectacle" is generated by the individuals broadcasting and covering the story. 12 or 20 people gathered around with ARs on their backs (and the backs of their children) is a damned easy image to manipulate. With 1000 people, whatever is said, gun owners and non-gun owners alike would see peaceable demonstration whatever the media labeled the event.

 

[melensdad]

I wouldn't mind a decent OC event in Porter County.

Not to pick on you but this is an example of what I see all the time. LUKE WARM support. Tepid, maybe. Have it in "my county" so its convenient for me to attend is very common. Other statements that are common include some form of "if I don't have work" or "if its not too far to travel," and always popular, "if I can find a ride."

I bring this all up because I believe this is what Woodrow is very concerned with, and this is exactly what was discussed by several of us at the Winamac range. Basically the "crowd" that shows up is so small they can all fit in a VW hippy van, and they simply look silly and out of place. 6 adults (2 with AR15s on their backs), 2 kids in baby strollers take a lap around the "circle" in Indy, walk over to the steps of the Capital Building and then go home. Sorry but that makes a really sorry statement and one that the anti-gunners can easily make fun of in the media.

Now on the other hand, round up a minimum of 1000 normal looking citizens, with very few of them dressed in camo and even fewer with ball caps that say "Hold my beer & watch this..." and now you have something that looks respectful and will garner respect from our lawmakers. A 1000 people at the Lake County government complex would be a great showing of strength, but 1000 people at the State Capital would be weak tea. Its all got to be put into perspective. If this is in Indy then we probably need 2500 or more to have a reasonable crowd represented.

 

[jedi]

I haven't read this whole thread, but I'm with melens dad that we need a decent amount of people to turn out for it.

The rest of this thread is general c-h-i-t-chat (seems like the website things I was trying to type another word) among the NWI INGO members so you are not missing much. We currenlty have 3 NWI INGO members that said they will show up for a OC walk. Of thsoe 3 I can vouch for only 1 that would show up right now. So that means Prometheus that it's really you + 1 right now.

In order to make that happen we'd need to plan a date at least a 6 weeks in advance (probably 3+ months out) and people to actually COMMIT to coming.

The NWI INGO walk would be set for the same date as the Indy walk. They (NWI INDY) like us are running into the same issues and debate I am now seeing on this and the other thread. You have:

- those that say they will go, just give me a time/date
- those that are giving ideas but have not committed
- those that say not worth it not enough numbers and no longer post
- those that says this is a bad idea and here is why and continue to post more complains


I told SaveageEagle (unoffical INDY INGO walk coordinator) that we (NWI INGO) might do a walk up here at the same time they did theirs if the group (NWI INGO) had enough people interested and I would relay the info back to him.

So how many people can we get to promise to show up, no excuses for work or being sick? and How many would be enough?

How many would "enough" be for you to become POC for this event? Do you want to become POC for this event? Yes I know I'm putting you on the spot and I'm sorry but you (out of all of us) have some experience in ths area of going to these events.

The "spectacle" is generated by the individuals broadcasting and covering the story. 12 or 20 people gathered around with ARs on their backs (and the backs of their children) is a damned easy image to manipulate. With 1000 people, whatever is said, gun owners and non-gun owners alike would see peaceable demonstration whatever the media labeled the event.

The last INDY WALK (of which the next walk is being tailored by) did not included the media. That is the media was not told about it that I am aware of. In addition the concept behind this next walk is NOT to get the media involved but just to educate the public on OC.

The walk would be just people walking and hanging out flyers (pre-made) to peoplle as we walk by. No stopping to ****-chat as a group, no stopping to demostrate etc. We have to continue to walk otherwise it's a "demonstration" and thus you need special permits, etc..

 

[melensdad]

The last INDY WALK (of which the next walk is being tailored by) did not included the media. That is the media was not told about it that I am aware of. In addition the concept behind this next walk is NOT to get the media involved but just to educate the public on OC.

The walk would be just people walking and hanging out flyers (pre-made) to peoplle as we walk by. No stopping to ****-chat as a group, no stopping to demostrate etc. We have to continue to walk otherwise it's a "demonstration" and thus you need special permits, etc..

So the media is EXCLUDED and that means the only education will be of people that happen to be on the same sidewalk. That seems silly. You can get the message out to THOUSANDS by involving the media, or you can impact a couple dozen by handing them a pamphlet.

Sorry, but do it right or don't do it.

 

[jedi]

So the media is EXCLUDED and that means the only education will be of people that happen to be on the same sidewalk. That seems silly. You can get the message out to THOUSANDS by involving the media, or you can impact a couple dozen by handing them a pamphlet.

Sorry, but do it right or don't do it.

From my understanding the 1st INDY WALK had media included (they send out info and messages to the various news outlets) and no media showed up. The 2nd INDY WALK I'm not sure if they told the media or not but did have a designated speaker for the group that would talk to the media if they (media) did come. Again I don't think the media came.

From the tread where the 3rd walk is being talked about the idea is to "normolize" hoosiers on the fact that OC is allowed and such it's not about showing via the media the event but more hands on one-on-one talks with common people on the street.

They (INDY GROUP) came to the conclusion that the MEDIA would just slate the walk/topic to be ANTI-GUN so figured if the media comes they have a canned paper reply for them and that is it. No one will talk to them and allow the MEDIA to have "ammo" angainst 2A.

Again this is what the INDY group has expeienced and decided to do. More like what the core organizers did. The 1st Indy walk had but a handful of people. The second a little more. This next one they are hoping for more and want to do it more frequenlty.

We (no group) is ever going to be able to do something from the get-go BIG. We don't have the resources, manpower, or money to do that. So we have to start out small. 5, 10 people, next time 15, 20, and on and on. It's a slow and baby step process.

One of the goals of the 1st INDY WALK was to do them small, let them grown and hopefully link up with one of the other groups (national) that did the DC GUN MRACH and do an INDIANA march when the DC march occured. That never came to light in part becuase the group did not grown due to not continuing to do them (the walks).

 

[aclark]

Way off the current topic, but melensdad, what ever came of those T-shirts you were working on? Is that the one you were wearing at the Meet n Shoot? The thought just popped into my head.

 

[Woodrow]

- those that say not worth it not enough numbers and no longer post
- those that says this is a bad idea and here is why and continue to post more complains

No stopping to ****-chat as a group, no stopping to demostrate etc. We have to continue to walk otherwise it's a "demonstration" and thus you need special permits, etc..

I don't hear complaints, brother. I hear people interested in the good of the Cause.

In addition, why not get a permit? Why try to sneak by the laws? I'm with melensdad, do it right, or don't do it at all.

 

[jedi]

I don't hear complaints, brother. I hear people interested in the good of the Cause.

In addition, why not get a permit? Why try to sneak by the laws? I'm with melensdad, do it right, or don't do it at all.

From my understanding if they (INDY group) had to get a permit it cost $$$, they then needed to have police escort, and a whole other slew of rules applied as to where/when they could demonstrated. So for the prior walks it was decided not to go the permit route.

No clue if up here (NWI) we would need a permit or not. Guess it would depend on where up here we would be doing this if we did do it.

 

[melensdad]

Way off the current topic, but melensdad, what ever came of those T-shirts you were working on? Is that the one you were wearing at the Meet n Shoot? The thought just popped into my head.

We made up 2 different shirts. A T-Shirt, which we are giving away free to some of our regular customers (still have some left in select sizes) and a polo shirt, which is what I wore to the shoot. The T-Shirts are being given away at the Pine Island lounge only, and some are going to non-INGO members who are 'gun guys' but most will end up in the hands of INGO members. Oh, and I did give some away to the girls at Simon Sez where I go for lunch because some of them are cute

The polo shirts were pretty expensive and I don't give those away, those are a really nice material with ventilated inserts. I actually took some pre-orders from some folks for the polo shirts. I have a few more of those polo shirts available. 1 is size 4-X-Large in red material. 2 each red and blue in size LARGE, and 2 blue in size X-LARGE. If an INGO member wants one of those shirts they can buy them for my cost of $32.00. Once we put them in the store for sale they will be selling to the public for somewhere between $39 and $45 each.

 

[aclark]

Can you hold a the size LARGE polos until the Cigar night next week so I can check them out. Gladly pay you for one, I think they are pretty sharp. Would be better if they were Glocks though.

 

[jedi]

Can you hold a the size LARGE polos until the Cigar night next week so I can check them out. Gladly pay you for one, I think they are pretty sharp. Would be better if they were [STRIKE]Glocks[/STRIKE] Hi-Points though.

FTFY

 

[aclark]

Touche, forgot we're in NWI.

 

[Woodrow]

So, Indy 1500 tomorrow. I'm going to do some selling/trading. I'd like to walk out with something or other, but times are tough.

Anyone else going? This will be my first.

 

[jedi]

So, Indy 1500 tomorrow. I'm going to do some selling/trading. I'd like to walk out with something or other, but times are tough.

Anyone else going? This will be my first.

1) Leave your wallet at home or else go ONLY set a set amount of $$$ else you may walk out with way too many toys.

2) Watch out for those AD at the event. JOE did it if it happens!

3) Enjoy it there is a ton of stuff to see but after a while a GLOCK looks like a GLOCK looks like a GLOCK and they all look ugly!

 

[geronimojoe85]

2) Watch out for those AD at the event. JOE did it if it happens!

What the hell.

Ok, fine. I'll be the passive little bottom in this gangbang of guilt.

Masochism is a valuable life skill. You could all learn from me.

 

[melensdad]

Masochism is a valuable life skill.

Too bad you didn't stop by today. Terry and Juan stopped in just before lunch. Juan hadn't eaten anything and picked up a very strong cigar. He got dizzy and ended up in a lounge chair with his eyes closed trying to recover. I'm not sure, but I'm betting that today he needed to learn that valuable life skill of yours.

Can you hold a the size LARGE polos until the Cigar night next week so I can check them out.

No problem, I'm not actively selling them and have not put them on display in the stores yet, so they are all sitting in the back for now.

 

[jedi]

Too bad you didn't stop by today. Terry and Juan stopped in just before lunch. Juan hadn't eaten anything and picked up a very strong cigar. He got dizzy and ended up in a lounge chair with his eyes closed trying to recover. I'm not sure, but I'm betting that today he needed to learn that valuable life skill of yours.

or it did not happen.

 

[2cool9031]

1) Leave your wallet at home or else go ONLY set a set amount of $$$ else you may walk out with way too many toys.

2) Watch out for those AD at the event. JOE did it if it happens!

3) Enjoy it there is a ton of stuff to see but after a while a GLOCK looks like a GLOCK looks like a GLOCK and they all look ugly!

To me a Glock looks a lot like a Hi-Point