Newt or Mitt if you had to decide.

[88GT]

A vote for RP is not a vote for the lesser of two evils....*snip*.

For some he his. Not everybody sees him as the messiah. Some actually have serious gripes with him too.

This is probably the most irritating aspect of the discussion: the idea that because he is "perfect" in your (generic person) eyes, he IS perfect against any standard. That and the hypocrisy that people who might support someone else can't have the same opinion of their candidate.

 

[ATM]

The next president will either be Ron Paul or it will be Barack Obama.

That's the way I see it as well, which means that this primary should be given far more weight than the general election, specifically for those who's top priority is unseating Obama.

If nobody but Paul can beat Obama, who honestly cares which one of the also rans was the lesser evil?

 

[jbombelli]

For some he his. Not everybody sees him as the messiah. Some actually have serious gripes with him too.

This is probably the most irritating aspect of the discussion: the idea that because he is "perfect" in your (generic person) eyes, he IS perfect against any standard. That and the hypocrisy that people who might support someone else can't have the same opinion of their candidate.

Nobody's perfect. But for me Ron Paul comes a damned sight closer than either Romney or Gingrich. He at least has been consistently pro-freedom/liberty over his entire political life. The others, not so much.

Ron Paul isn't the lesser of TWO evils; he's the lesser of a whole crapload of evils.

 

[redpitbull44]

My order is Paul, Gingrich, Santorum, Romney if I were to vote Republican. I hate that a Libertarian vote is a wasted one. Romney is the worst thing that could happen to this country after Obama. I can't stand Santorum or Romney. Especially can't stand Romney. Both are very against gun rights, and that is my main issue as a voter.

Anybody who would waste a Primary vote on anyone but Ron Paul is.... well. I can't talk like that on INGO. Let's just say any vote that isn't for Ron Paul may as well be for Obama, because the other candidates will hurt this country, and our rights as bad as Bammy has. In Romney's case, much, much worse.

 

[HICKMAN]

Somebody needs to pour water in the ears of this country to check for any brain activity because we're comatose now.

you would have thought they have seen enough this last few years, apparently not.

 

[rlspach]

Ron Paul, after he flips to independent.

 

[mydoghasfleas]

For some he his. Not everybody sees him as the messiah. Some actually have serious gripes with him too.

This is probably the most irritating aspect of the discussion: the idea that because he is "perfect" in your (generic person) eyes, he IS perfect against any standard. That and the hypocrisy that people who might support someone else can't have the same opinion of their candidate.

No single candidate can make everyone happy. He isnt perfect. None are. I, as well as many others, vote for less government power. He goes well beyond the other candidates or any other candidate in recent times has gone in that arena. That is why he gets the passionate support you see. His foreign policy is what kills it for most people as I understand. But I think we will get his foreign policy whether we like it or not.

 

[Prometheus]

A vote for newt or romney is a vote for obama. I won't throw my vote away like that.

 

[Cerberus]

Of course, we should all remember.......

-"A vote for John Andersen is a vote for Ronald Reagan."
-Ross Perot brought Clinton into the White House, by splitting the Bush vote. Look where that got us.
-Ralph Nadar Spoiled Gore's win, thankfully.
-TR defeated Taft, but Wilson won. A disaster that subsequently set the stage for more of the progressive agenda.

TR was as much a progressive as Wilson.

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

Perhaps a better question would be this: Many people would like to see us be able to vote in order of preference.... for instance, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, Satan Incarnate, Obama - but I repeat myself...

It's probably too early for the question - as ATM said, the primaries are the most important thing this time around, and we DON'T know how that's going to fly.

So if you had to vote in order of preference, the following are on the ballot (since they all are) (Gingrich, Johnson, Paul, Romney, Obama, Santorum) AND the last vote you put down was None of the Above (aka bacon, aka stay home) - how do you vote?


Sad state of affairs, but this is as close to a reflection of the choice as we have.

 

[Bapak2ja]

You are right. I guess my frustration is I'm a good INGOer and don't want to be banned for advocating a certain course of action that WILL be the SHTF event Washington DC needs! Until that day, prudence tells me the lesser of the present evils will put off the inevitable a few more years.

God, I feel sorry for my granddaughter !! And I feel helpless to be able to do anything to protect that dear heart.

Now I've gone from seething anger to tears.

M
I too am moved to tears for my grand children. The SHTF event will come. I fear it is too late though.

 

[firehawk1]

A vote for RP is not a vote for the lesser of two evils, its voting for a far less powerfull evil.

But you are STILL voting for the lesser of the two. That's even what your sentence states.

 

[rambone]

But you are STILL voting for the lesser of the two. That's even what your sentence states.

Ron Paul may not be perfect in every conceivable way, but I definitely don't believe he is evil, or will bring evil. He strikes me as a very moral and incorruptible man. Not a lobbyist whore like every remaining candidate.

 

[Bapak2ja]

Ron Paul may not be perfect in every conceivable way, but I definitely don't believe he is evil, or will bring evil. He strikes me as a very moral and incorruptible man. Not a lobbyist whore like every remaining candidate.

Well said.

 

[24Carat]

M
I too am moved to tears for my grand children. The SHTF event will come. I fear it is too late though.

Maybe for you and me but our responsibility doesn't stop there. Fostering the ideals of self determination, rugged individualism, protecting the integrity of the family, etc.

Those that would dispose of the Constitution have no idea of the size of the dog in this fight.

I would strongly suggest every member of this board have one ultimate task. Befriend, educate and engage at a personal level the single most powerful person in your individual worlds, your County Sheriff. As long as the Constitution is intact the Elected County Sheriff holds sway over any entity be it State or Federal that attempts to cross his jurisdictional boundaries.

 

[firehawk1]

Ron Paul may not be perfect in every conceivable way, but I definitely don't believe he is evil, or will bring evil. He strikes me as a very moral and incorruptible man. Not a lobbyist whore like every remaining candidate.

If that's the case, then the other candidates are not "evil" in every conceivable way.

I don't believe Ron Paul is evil in any way, and I don't believe Mitt or Newt are evil either. My point has always been NONE of the people running for the nomination are perfect. And I stick by my opinion that if Ron Paul is elected NOTHING will change. We will continue down the road to destruction simply because no one man can reverse the direction we are headed in. IMO if Ron Paul is elected his ardent supporters will be majorly disappointed with the outcome. They are simply setting the standard WAY too high, and being totally unrealistic in their expectations.

Obama set the bar too high with his Socialist/Marxist/utopian dreamworld he promised in '08. Many of his FAR left supporters are NOT happy with him either. History will repeat itself.

 

[jmiller676]

I would write in Barney and Baby Bop

 

[jbombelli]

If that's the case, then the other candidates are not "evil" in every conceivable way.

I don't believe Ron Paul is evil in any way, and I don't believe Mitt or Newt are evil either. My point has always been NONE of the people running for the nomination are perfect. And I stick by my opinion that if Ron Paul is elected NOTHING will change. We will continue down the road to destruction simply because no one man can reverse the direction we are headed in. IMO if Ron Paul is elected his ardent supporters will be majorly disappointed with the outcome. They are simply setting the standard WAY too high, and being totally unrealistic in their expectations.

Obama set the bar too high with his Socialist/Marxist/utopian dreamworld he promised in '08. Many of his FAR left supporters are NOT happy with him either. History will repeat itself.

At least Ron Paul believes in the principles upon which this nation was founded, and at least he'd TRY. That's all I can ask of him. The others? They don't believe and they won't even try.

 

[Tebow]

I wouldn't vote for either. If it is Newt vs Obama or Romney vs Obama, I just wouldn't vote. I know people say you should always vote but between those 3 people, I just can't.

For me, it's Ron Paul or no one.

 

[DodgebyDave]

IMO if Ron Paul is elected his ardent supporters will be majorly disappointed with the outcome. They are simply setting the standard WAY too high, and being totally unrealistic in their expectations.

Obama set the bar too high with his Socialist/Marxist/utopian dreamworld he promised in '08. Many of his FAR left supporters are NOT happy with him either. History will repeat itself.

I strongly disagree wit the first, in that what is expected is a President that does the job within the framework of the constitution. To say that nothing will change is absurd, as there are many things that the president has specified powers. With the stroke of a pen wars begin and end. Presidents make calls, Generals issue orders, within the framework of a 2 year budget as authorized by congress.

The Major difference is that when RP says that the war is over, you can bank on there won't be a smattering of advisers, contractors and etc in a smoke screen.

Vote for Gnut, Mittens or The Suit(tm). No way. I could care less if Barry gets 4 more years. Sure I'd love to have him out of office. However, if he were to loose to any of the 3 stooges he gets a blanket pardon just like all of his preceding defendants. Same as it ever was.

Not staying home either. Lugar has to go. That is more important to Indiana and the Nation than who the white house paper hanger is.

The continued replacement of cons and rats with statesman from dogcatcher to the white house.

I have found that one issue dictates where a candidate stands with me. 2nd amendment. If he shares my views on that, he shares my views on 90% of the issues and the other 10% are areas where I would consider compromise.

Ron Paul is the only candidate that comes close to a Constitutional stance on the 2nd, all others fail miserably. Then I look further at voting records and sure enough.

Jackasses.

I don't practice santoria, I ain't got no crystal ball. Until the first shot is fired, nothing is certain except there is no fate but what we make for ourselves. Simplistic, but damn true.

3 stooges gives us that chance at statues and immortality. Songs sang about the brave Indiana militia. With RP, There is a chance.

Choose accordingly but choose wisely.