My daughters problem

[dice dealer]

You are right. You indeed said a lot of cases. Sorry for the sensitivity on that one. However, you used a common low-grade saying, which is used to throw daggers. If you had left that out, I would have read more carefully. You shot from the hip and I reacted from the hip. My bad.

Not a problem at all .

In my profession we make the morons Pit bosses and casino managers ......LMAO

 

[E5RANGER375]

lol, wish i could find a moron dealer next time i play black jack!!

 

[CarmelHP]

If you'd read the whole thread, you'd see that I agree with you on the current school's administration.

I read the whole thread, thanks for the unwarranted assumption though. The problem is that you came to the ridiculous conclusion that parents and students should not refuse to cooperate with these school administrators that have demonstrated that they are paid to drool on themselves all day and have the common sense and discretion of the common house fly.

 

[Woodsman]

... make sure you punch the principal in the D**k that way you get some kind of satisfaction for getting suspended!! your a minor you wont get a permanent record. no im kidding dont do that....wink, wink.

Sounds like you went to the same charm school I attended. My daughter got a 5 day suspension for slapping a guy after he pushed her into a locker very hard. She told me; I'm sorry, I don't know what happened. I told her she should have dropped him!

I don't advocate violence. But if it comes your way you have to deal with it.

 

[MinuteMan47]

Marty Bell = :dumbass:

According to his interview in the WHAS11 Video he says...

"Saying 'NO' means not being there and being around it..."

Being where Marty??? IN SCHOOL!?!? IN GYM CLASS?!? Get a clue!!!

 

[E5RANGER375]

Sounds like you went to the same charm school I attended. My daughter got a 5 day suspension for slapping a guy after he pushed her into a locker very hard. She told me; I'm sorry, I don't know what happened. I told her she should have dropped him!

I don't advocate violence. But if it comes your way you have to deal with it.

heck yeah brother!! Im teaching my daughter to fight back if she is threatened or attacked first. assault is just as much of a crime as battery!!!! so an eye for an eye!!! too many americans are teaching their kids to be pu**ys today and we are turning into a society of takers and whinners. America was founded on standing up and ACTING against things that are wrong so that we can then fix them. not laying down and taking it like a wimp!! my daughter will be a lady, but if a boy or anyone goes too far with her when she says no, then her Ranger daddy training will kick in and she will jack him up!!! and the boy might just take a visit to the hog farm. I REFUSE TO LET MY DAUGHTER BECOME A STATISTIC!!! So its my responsibility to teach and train her right, or else i have failed her.

 

[E5RANGER375]

Marty Bell = :dumbass:

According to his interview in the WHAS11 Video he says...

"Saying 'NO' means not being there and being around it..."

Being where Marty??? IN SCHOOL!?!? IN GYM CLASS?!? Get a clue!!!

maybe we should ask marty why drugs are so availible and prevelant in his top notch school, if hes doing his job???? wheres the accountability for marty here?? i want some accountability!!! burn him!!! ,,, no just kidding, lol, got carried away for a second i felt like a villager with a pitch fork, lol

 

[MinuteMan47]

Did they confiscate the pill from the girl that had it in her purse?
If they did every staff member and teacher who touched the pill is guilty of drug possession at a school! They should all be fired and prosecuted!
And if they're not going to fire them, why are they holding the students to stricter standards than the students?

Doug

 

[CarmelHP]

Yes, isn't there a school policy against employees of the district possessing drugs on school grounds. If so, everyone who touched it or had it in their possession, regardless of intent or culpability, is irrebuttably guilty of violating the policy. The principal should fire himself and all staff members involved. If the superintendent was involved, he should be fired too. After all, policy uber alles!!

 

[Bill of Rights]

As a parent, I would hope one would take the time to get to know the principal. I know my kids' principals well. That should tell you all you need to know.

One problem though. In loco parentis. You can't tell the school they cannot question your child. When you leave your child at the school, you accept their rules. Imagine if every parent did this. I would not want my child going to that school, because it will be overrun with bad behavior, and the school would be powerless to enforce rules.

Again, common sense. Get involved in your child's school and help make it a better place. If you leave it to others and give no input, you are at the mercy of people who think zero tolerance is a good idea.

I suppose you're correct; you can't tell the school they cannot question your child. You can, however, tell your child not to answer any question with any answer other than, "Call my parents. I'll answer when they're here and I've talked with them first."

If my daughter was still in school, that would be the result of hearing this story.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[ATM]

Must reexamine the context of my sig line.

Don't possess drugs. Possess bacon.


Still, GOOD JOB RACHAEL!

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

As nearly everyone else has said, I think this is

We have zero tolerance rules at Salem Schools as well. It goes not only for drugs, but fighting, etc. All the way down the line. While my kids are pretty darn solid students (knock on wood), I've seen the effects of this first hand.

Principal Skinr - I buy PART of what you are saying, but I have some disagreements, I suspect.

1) I HAVE gotten to know the principals at my kids' schools. All four of my kids are A-B students and don't cause trouble. Getting to know the principal HAS helped and is a good idea. I agree with that. Does it protect my kids from stupid rules? NO. Period. If a kid that is hopped up on drugs takes a swing at another kid. And Kid B moves to defend himself - BOTH will be suspended. No judgement or discretion involved.

2) The rules seem to be written to control the behavior of the lowest common denominator of human debris. I don't deny that these sorts of folks exist. Painfully - that's far too common - you have my sympathy in that respect. You do not have an easy job.

3) Far too often, the rules are written to protect the school district or employee from having to RENDER JUDGEMENT or EXERCISE DISCRETION. This is where trouble begins, in my opinion.

Given the above - I see a LOT of similarities between a high school principal and a county sheriff...

a) Both are required to deal with the dregs of society - and there's no getting around that. It's the brutal truth.
b) Both have to exercise a great deal of discretion - and the decisions that they make WILL alter lives forever.
c) Both have to make tough calls with sometimes limited information.
d) Both have the option of hiding behind the law - or standing up for what's RIGHT.

Given that - we heap praise on a Sheriff in Colorado who decides to take a stand, think for himself and uphold the _principles_ of the Constitution. How is it different when a school administrator is given the choice of hiding behind the legalistic wall of or standing for something and doing what's RIGHT? I can only WISH that neither were put in the position to choose. That said, both are, and on a regular basis.

I'm confident that there MUST be cases where a principal has told a school board to shove it in a situation like the above - I can't recall ever hearing of it. What would happen (just for grins) if the principal allowed this young lady back into school on the merits of the situation? And said "screw the rules - this is the RIGHT thing to do"?? Would the school board REALLY have the cojones to fire him over it? REALLY??? For negating the suspension of a young lady that had the guts to say NO??

If so - the public would have the school board on a stick!

Our system WORKS - but it requires SOMEONE to have the courage to stand up and say - THIS IS WRONG!

I agree that we should make our voices heard. Yes, we can go to the school board and try to swim our way up the river of sewage and lawyerball. Maybe we might succeed in making a SMALL dent in the system. The further I go - the more I despair of this route, and lean towards voting with my feet. And people wonder why home schooling continues to increase in popularity?

And all we are offered are lame-*** explanations for brainless rulings like this. I continue to search for a good reason to continue in the current path with my kid's educations.... and the answers are thin...


Please forgive my skepticism - and I certainly mean no disrespect. I will be the FIRST to jump in line and help out ANY principal who has the guts to take a stand on stuff like this. Just as I will be one of the first to thank a Sheriff for keep his Oath and taking a stand.

I have no right to demand that someone take a stand like this - but if someone did, it would sure restore some of my faith in people in positions like this.

 

[INGunGuy]

I suppose you're correct; you can't tell the school they cannot question your child. You can, however, tell your child not to answer any question with any answer other than, "Call my parents. I'll answer when they're here and I've talked with them first."

If my daughter was still in school, that would be the result of hearing this story.

Blessings,
Bill

And that my friend is exactly what I have told Rachael, and my other son still in school. That is the only thing they are to tell them until we arrive, no matter what they are told my the administration.

INGunGuy

 

[INGunGuy]

To make it clear up to this point, I have only spoken twice to the President of the School Board. The first time was to introduce myself and explain the situation, which I have to say he was VERY receptive of hearing. Now since this is an elected position, while talking to him, he was about 1/3 politician and about 2/3's a parent wondering why the hell a student would be suspended for saying no to drugs. We talked at great length about the issue, and he told me before he would really make a comment one way or another he wanted to contact the superintendent and get the school's side of the story.

A few times during both of our conversations he offered me the other board members contact information and phone numbers, which I respectfully declined and told him not to worry since I had it already off of the school districts web site.

The second time I talked to the school board president, he called me on Friday before I talked to the superintendent and assistant-superintendent. He was very up front about how when he spoke to the superintendent that the other accounts from the other girls corroborated my daughters story. That from his take on the issue, the school really was wrong in suspending my daughter. He also said that the superintendent was pretty cut and dry about the suspension being upheld.

The school board president really was on my side on this one. He really thinks the school went outside of what was reasonable. He wouldnt really comment specifically , but I think he agrees with me that she should get a D.A.R.E. award for saying No. No one, and I mean no one, that I have talked to, chatted with, or otherwise had any contact with have agreed with the school and it's suspension.

I am going to be contacting each school board member individually and then at the next school board meeting, I along with a few hundred of my closest friends will go to voice our opposition to the suspension.

The problem is that my baby is getting tired, and she told me just this morning, she is "Tired of all the drama". She had an opportunity to be on fox and friends this morning, but mom had to work, she is a EMT, and I told her I would go with her, and she just said no, she didnt want to. So she is at the Mall right now with her friends.

This fight is long from over on my side, my baby may be getting tired, but I can continue the fight on the political front and shield her from all the crap...

WAY TO GO RACHAEL!!!

INGunGuy

 

[DougBarnes101]

It is absolutely amazing to me how such supposedly educated people can be dumber than a doorknob. They cannot think for themselves and if the policy says X then they do what the policy says. What a bunch of stupid jerks.

Rachel Great Job Girl.

 

[Bill of Rights]

And that my friend is exactly what I have told Rachael, and my other son still in school. That is the only thing they are to tell them until we arrive, no matter what they are told my the administration.

INGunGuy

Name, rank, and serial number.

And if he gets pushy, she can start with a few other phrases you may choose to approve:

Ja wuhl, Herr Obermeister!

Bei allem Respekt, Herr Denny, meinen Hintern beißen.

(God, I love Google translator... )

Oh. Rep added.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[1032JBT]

Yet one more reason why my wife and decided to homeschool my kids

 

[ArmedProgrammer]

...
I am going to be contacting each school board member individually and then at the next school board meeting, I along with a few hundred of my closest friends will go to voice our opposition to the suspension.

...snip...

This fight is long from over on my side, my baby may be getting tired, but I can continue the fight on the political front and shield her from all the crap...

WAY TO GO RACHAEL!!!

INGunGuy

Please let us know when this is. If at all possible I will be glad to join you at that meeting... It is one thing to disagree with the decision - but these idiots need to do what's right or be SHOWN the door. If I'm not on the road with work, I will be there. A few hundred people SHOULD be there...

Vox populi, vox Dei...

Reps to you sir (since I can't send it to Rachael!)

 

[Doug]

Here's an idea:
Get business cards printed up for the children which say:

I will not speak to you until my parent is present, Please call my parent.

Pass them out to parents at the school board meeting. Tell the children to expect the principal to get angry...

 

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