Mossberg 500 Variants vs. Remington 870 variants

[Richard]

Well, there is another debate. What # or type of shot is the best? In my Judge Magnum, I have #4, #6, #7 1/2, and #8, 000 buck, 1/4 oz HP slugs, etc... And I know for bigger gauges, its the same thing. 2.5, 2.75, and 3 in shells. What do you guys use for Home Defense? I can get some Speer LE 12ga ammo from some close family members...

I keep my 590 stoked with Remington Law Enforcement Managed Recoil 00 Buck.

It recoils in a very similar manner as my 500 w/trap & field loads does & it has less over-penetration concerns than standard 00 buck does, it also patterns out better a bit further than some of the other 00 buckshot ammunition that I have due Remington's "flightcontrol" wad & to the fact that there is less deformation of the copper plated pellets that are used.

Good stuff IMHO & I highly recomind it if your looking for a premium defensive load.

 

[Dragon Talon TSi AWD]

Well I prefer O Buck more BB's and about 12" of penetration. But OO is a viable option. Honestly I think any of them will stop a BG, but only the O Buck and bigger are a pretty sure kill.

Yeah, that's one thing I was concerned about. What is the best self defense load for any gauge, rather than just 12's. Of course, over penetration is a faulty trait for home defense. I will look around. Any ideas where you guys get this ammo? Most places here are all dried up...

 

[Dragon Talon TSi AWD]

I keep my 590 stoked with Remington Law Enforcement Managed Recoil 00 Buck.

It recoils in a very similar manner as my 500 w/trap & field loads does & it has less over-penetration concerns than standard 00 buck does, it also patterns out better a bit further than some of the other 00 buckshot ammunition that I have due Remington's "flightcontrol" wad & to the fact that there is less deformation of the copper plated pellets that are used.

Good stuff IMHO & I highly recomind it if your looking for a premium defensive load.

Yeah, it makes sense. Well, where did you get that ammo at? Most LE ammo, like HST's, LE Speers, I can only get from people I know. Other than that, it has to be expired for me to purchase it at a dealer. That's what they told me...

 

[Richard]

Yeah, it makes sense. Well, where did you get that ammo at? Most LE ammo, like HST's, LE Speers, I can only get from people I know. Other than that, it has to be expired for me to purchase it at a dealer. That's what they told me...

Dragon,

You can substitute with the commercial version: Remington Express Managed Recoil Buckshot RL12BK00, 12 Gauge, 2 3/4", 9 Pellets, 1200 fps, #00 Lead if you can't buy LE ammo locally.

I believe that the commercial version is identical to the LE ammo in everything except for name.

 

[Dragon Talon TSi AWD]

Dragon,

You can substitute with the commercial version: Remington Express Managed Recoil Buckshot RL12BK00, 12 Gauge, 2 3/4", 9 Pellets, 1200 fps, #00 Lead if you can't buy LE ammo locally.

I believe that the commercial version is identical to the LE ammo in everything except for name.

Okay, that's good. But seriously, what makes the LE/Commercial ammo so different? I have HSTs for my 9mm and I have different LE ammo for my .45, and I have the FP "Special" .410 Gauge shells for the Judge, but I really don't see the big difference between all them... Any input?

 

[Dragon Talon TSi AWD]

Okay you guys... I have come down to the conclusion of picking my home defense shotgun. I am getting a Remington 870 Express Tactical (Grey Powder coating). I can get one for 500 with tax. Anyone got any advice?

 

[sporter]

Okay you guys... I have come down to the conclusion of picking my home defense shotgun. I am getting a Remington 870 Express Tactical (Grey Powder coating). I can get one for 500 with tax. Anyone got any advice?

Wise choice getting the 870.

 

[Richard]

Okay, that's good. But seriously, what makes the LE/Commercial ammo so different? I have HSTs for my 9mm and I have different LE ammo for my .45, and I have the FP "Special" .410 Gauge shells for the Judge, but I really don't see the big difference between all them... Any input?

My guess would just be that it's mostly some sort of marketing ploy.

The LE market is a fairly large market, with every village, town, city, county & state, not to mention federal agencies in the nation having to equip their officers.

 

[jeremy]

Okay you guys... I have come down to the conclusion of picking my home defense shotgun. I am getting a Remington 870 Express Tactical (Grey Powder coating). I can get one for 500 with tax. Anyone got any advice?

For that price I could get a dressed 590...

 

[Richard]

Okay you guys... I have come down to the conclusion of picking my home defense shotgun. I am getting a Remington 870 Express Tactical (Grey Powder coating). I can get one for 500 with tax. Anyone got any advice?

I paid $300 for my 590 & it's the version that's decked out with ghost ring sights & speed feed 4 cartridge stock.

But congratulations on finally making a decision! the 870's are very good shotguns & it'll serve you & your family's defensive needs for generations if you take good care of it.

I'll be looking forward to your first range report!

 

[jforrest]

The MSRP for the Express Tactical with grey powder coat is $465. Your paying a little extra but I haven't been out looking at prices are since the before the election, so now a days it might be fair.

 

[Dragon Talon TSi AWD]

The MSRP for the Express Tactical with grey powder coat is $465. Your paying a little extra but I haven't been out looking at prices are since the before the election, so now a days it might be fair.

Thanks to Blythe's... I looked all around the entire area... Gander Mtn, Westforths, Blythes, Cabela's, etc... No one has any Tactical Models in, only Blythes. Everyone else said they can't get them for 3-6 months due to back order and other bs about the economy. They were the only ones that had it in, and that they would cut me a deal.

They had like 8 Mossys, all 500's, no 590's at all. Truse me, I looked. And even the 500s were pricey, 390-470ish. Wow, a whopping 100-30 dollars more for a shot gun... And I also bought the rear end grip, fore end grip, rail shroud and side saddle accessories. All from my cousin, dirt dirt cheap, I won't eve post the price I got the bundle for. You guys wouldn't believe me even if I told you.

 

[Dragon Talon TSi AWD]

Wise choice getting the 870.

Thanks... I can see most people will disagree here... But, like I said, I make every sound choice viewing every option I can. Just like my XD, The Judge, and now my 870.

 

[Dragon Talon TSi AWD]

My guess would just be that it's mostly some sort of marketing ploy.

The LE market is a fairly large market, with every village, town, city, county & state, not to mention federal agencies in the nation having to equip their officers.

Yeah, I would suppose. I don't think they use any special kind of charge or jacketing methods, yada yada... It's all the same thing. Lead or copper...

 

[Dragon Talon TSi AWD]

For that price I could get a dressed 590...

Well, you show me where in NWIN I can find one... I hit up all the usual gun spots for NWIN, and none were available, couldn't order them, only Blythe's could and had one of 3 left.

 

[Dragon Talon TSi AWD]

I paid $300 for my 590 & it's the version that's decked out with ghost ring sights & speed feed 4 cartridge stock.

But congratulations on finally making a decision! the 870's are very good shotguns & it'll serve you & your family's defensive needs for generations if you take good care of it.

I'll be looking forward to your first range report!

I didn't want the ghost rings... After I made thought and made some choices, nah, its home defense, and I won't be hunting with it, only shooting ranges. They had the XS sighted one as well there, but it costs a little bit more.

Yeah, I have 2 boys, and they'll love taking care of these... I just hope they don't fight over them when they get older.

I'll have to find an outdoor range or shooting game... Deb's won't allow it, nor will Blythe's.

 

[Richard]

Thanks... I can see most people will disagree here... But, like I said, I make every sound choice viewing every option I can. Just like my XD, The Judge, and now my 870.

We were arguing ergonomics not function, the 870's (even with their ergonomic faults) are still really good shotguns.

 

[Dragon Talon TSi AWD]

We were arguing ergonomics not function, the 870's (even with their ergonomic faults) are still really good shotguns.

Yeah, I found a way to keep my dominant hand on the trigger housing to release the slide release.

Yeah, if I were left handed, it would probably be better.

 

[jforrest]

Yeah, if I were left handed, it would probably be better.

Like me! Woohoo And you wont get any arguments here about the 870

 

[jforrest]

I'll have to find an outdoor range or shooting game... Deb's won't allow it, nor will Blythe's.

Jasper Polaski is a real good place, they have everything from pistol to 200 yrd rifle range, and a trap only. If that is too long of a drive there is one in Newton county Willow-Slough, they have rifle/shotgun, and handgun. I don't know if they have a trap only part if you are into that?