Marines accused of desecrating bodies

[starbreather]

body descration

Panetta: Apparent Marine desecration of Taliban corpses is ‘utterly deplorable’ - Checkpoint Washington - The Washington Post

Here is some of the information I have read this morning so far. I was wondering what the rest of you thought. I am not military and, obviously, never been to battle. I don't really know how to feel about it. Firstly, I don't judge. I have made decision that I have regreted and wished I had thought about much more prior to making them. Just wanted to see some other opinions. Thanks Bob

 

[Dead Duck]

As we all know - Never bring a knife to a gun fight and Now, Never bring a camera into the Head.

No big deal - Those guys were just trying to wake up their [STRIKE]bodies[/STRIKE] buddies. Looked like they were dead tired. Must have partied hard last night.

Where as most solders wouldn't have done this, and taken video. Why is this breaking news? Who believes this has never happened in every battle on the globe since cavemen started clubbing woman. (yes I'm blaming women, its my post) The difference is that now we have access to the details behind the scenes, via the internet.

Can we just get back to the War now.

 

[jeremy]

GOD help us!!!! maybe we shouldent be telling the world right from wrong after all?? this makes us no better than the animals we try to change! on the other hand punishing these marines will do nothing to make it right, either you have morels or you dont and if you think this is ok you have none. we have lost our way!!

Punishing these Marines in a HARSH Fashion will let every Servicememeber know the Standards are still set in stone...

By the way Morels are mushrooms, Morals are what I think you were trying for...

They just killed these guys, pissing on them doesn't seem like a giant leap. They were wrong to do it but I can understand how they got there.

Really, never has the thought crossed my mind.
Hey I just killed that MF, let me walk over there and desecrate the corpse...

 

[halfmileharry]

There are 1.5 billion of them. Are you advocating genocide?

Because that is the alternative, win the hearts and mind or murder them all.

As an aside, they are half a world away, why should we care if they do or don't want "our way"? America is on it's way to a socialist third world crap hole.. is it any wonder they don't admire us?

Like many in this thread, you appear to be nothing more than a short sighted racist bigot with murder in his heart.

Genocide is evil. Period.

Genocide is evil. I've seen no referrence to it until now. All I've seen is support for killing our enemies here.
I don't condone putting this on camera and getting caught. Stupidity is the crime here. Disrespect for the enemy isn't really the issue. The uproar we're getting here and now is the way the world perceives this.
Strike one. Long range shooters are not only feared by the civilized world but the profession isn't thought of as a moral action to begin with. This is a "kill team" not only feared but disliked.
Strike two: the showing of the kills piled up is bad enough to infuriate anyone that hates death and war. Honestly you'll find the same feelings from the bunny huggers if it were Bambi and family piled up.
Strike three: This gives the media something to justify their paychecks until the next story comes along.
War has been accepted throughout time until the media coverage started graphically showing the actions and effects of war. If anything is true is that wars amongst the civilized nations are evolving into more humane actions than ever before.
War is the last resort and the UN is there to try to keep some peace and hope for stability in a region of the world that won't have peace or stability anytime soon.
These kill teams are doing their job protecting installations and bases from being hit by the bad guys. Premptive strikes are effective and necessary. Not popular and sure not pretty when you see them piled up. This only gives the horrors of war a face people will abhor and speak out about more than just reading about it.
Should the U.S. Military be there? I don't know. I have to trust the people that are more informed and hopefully smarter than I am. In this case I must trust the government and hope the heck they know what they're doing. I do hope they are protecting our country and it's in our best interest to be there sacrificing our troops. Hopefully not a wasted life and our losses are not in vain.
I see our involvement as a time mission to try to help build and support a strong government in the area to keep the terrorism and radicalism in check. I don't personally believe it will work but you never know until you try I guess. Like I said. Hopefully more knowledgeable and smarter than I am.
I don't want our troops there. I don't want to be in a war. I don't always get my way. I'm used to it.
I will however support our troops anyway I can.
As far as the U.S. turning into a 3rd world crap hole goes? It's one hell of a step above what these people have now. It's just "the mighty rule" and the Taliban have shown no mercy to their own people. Taliban law is as cruel as it gets. I personally don't want to be subject to it. It's the true evil here and defeating it is of utmost importance.
I wish these Marines the best possible outcome and hopefully everyone has at least learned to not be stupid.

 

[malern28us]

Punishing these Marines in a HARSH Fashion will let every Servicememeber know the Standards are still set in stone...

By the way Morels are mushrooms, Morals are what I think you were trying for...

Really, never has the thought crossed my mind.
Hey I just killed that MF, let me walk over there and desecrate the corpse...

I pee on everything I kill. Oh wait! I don't kill anything.

 

[mike8170]

Punishing these Marines in a HARSH Fashion will let every Servicememeber know the Standards are still set in stone...

By the way Morels are mushrooms, Morals are what I think you were trying for...

Really, never has the thought crossed my mind.
Hey I just killed that MF, let me walk over there and desecrate the corpse...

Punish them just as stated in the UCMJ. Nothing more or less. And I totally agree with Jeremy, I have never even thought about doing anything like this; in fact, I even have very few pics.

 

[jeremy]

Punish them just as stated in the UCMJ. Nothing more or less. And I totally agree with Jeremy, I have never even thought about doing anything like this; in fact, I even have very few pics.

Most of the Pics I have taken were just for Verification of the deed or Identity of the individual...
Never kept them either...

 

[malern28us]

Punish them just as stated in the UCMJ. Nothing more or less. And I totally agree with Jeremy, I have never even thought about doing anything like this; in fact, I even have very few pics.

I agree. You have a punishment system in place, use it. Don't let the media continue to blow up the situation.
In listening to the news this morning, they are saying this could end secret talks with the Taliban or the Taliban will use acts like this to strengthen their position. Huh?
Let's see, our guys urinating, your guys cutting heads off of LIVING people!

 

[w_ADAM_d88]

The press called The Marines urinating on the dead, barbaric and inhumane. All the Marines that I know would take that as a compliment. These Marines are gonna get in some sort of trouble for this not matter what. Maybe it has something to do that the soldiers and Marines have been out on the battlefield for MONTHS, the humanity has waned. They have incredibly hard feelings for the enemy and if I was a Marine I would have probably been right there pissing along side of em. No it's not right, but I bet it was the best **** they ever took. They should've kept it to themselves, kept the camera off and especially not posted it on the interweb. I GUARANTY there are far worse things that happen out there that we never hear about.

**I am not a member of the military and never have been, but I am a supporter of those that have served. Yes, even the ones that **** on their kills.**

 

[JetGirl]

The press called The Marines urinating on the dead, barbaric and inhumane. All the Marines that I know would take that as a compliment. These Marines are gonna get in some sort of trouble for this not matter what. Maybe it has something to do that the soldiers and Marines have been out on the battlefield for MONTHS, the humanity has waned. They have incredibly hard feelings for the enemy and if I was a Marine I would have probably been right there pissing along side of em. No it's not right, but I bet it was the best **** they ever took. They should've kept it to themselves, kept the camera off and especially not posted it on the interweb. I GUARANTY there are far worse things that happen out there that we never hear about.

**I am not a member of the USAF and never have been, but I am a supporter of those that have served. Yes, even the ones that **** on their kills.**

USAF = United States Air Force.
I think you meant "USMC" (United States Marine Corps)

By all means, act like a worthless scumbag when facing other worthless scumbags. I thought a worthy soldier and a man conducted himself with honor.

All things being equal in scumbaggery as relates to war, as hondatech2k2 stated upthread there were beheadings and charred bodies strung up or dragged through the streets ... where was the outcry for justice concerning desecration of our dead then? I read a lot of "wow, that was really really bad"...but never read anything about the consequences of the offending "other siders". Oh wait, there aren't any...

Either way, I'm not saying their actions were the best thought-out ones they could have taken... but I'm also not saying "boo hoo...somebody that would slaughter my family if they had a chance is dead, and they got peed on so I'll go cry for them."

 

[jeremy]

All things being equal in scumbaggery as relates to war, as hondatech2k2 stated upthread there were beheadings and charred bodies strung up or dragged through the streets ... where was the outcry for justice concerning desecration of our dead then? I read a lot of "wow, that was really really bad"...but never read anything about the consequences of the offending "other siders". Oh wait, there aren't any...

Either way, I'm not saying their actions were the best thought-out ones they could have taken... but I'm also not saying "boo hoo...somebody that would slaughter my family if they had a chance is dead, and they got peed on so I'll go cry for them."

The Problem is JG, that Soldiers, Marines, Airman, and Sailors KNOW better than to do this kind of crap. They know they are not allowed to act like this. They are taught in mind numbing class after class what these type of actions can cause.

 

[mike8170]

USAF = United States Air Force.
I think you meant "USMC" (United States Marine Corps)

I think he means "United States Armed Forces."

 

[w_ADAM_d88]

USAF = United States Air Force.
I think you meant "USMC" (United States Marine Corps)

Yea, I was going for United States Armed Forces, but after realizing that it was US Air Force I decided to change it. It's early and Friday, and I'm only on my 2nd cup of coffee.

I think he means "United States Armed Forces."

BINGO!!!

 

[Classic]

Now they are gettng NCIS involved!

Panetta: Apparent Marine desecration of Taliban corpses is ‘utterly deplorable’ - Checkpoint Washington - The Washington Post

 

[jeremy]

Now they are gettng NCIS involved!

Panetta: Apparent Marine desecration of Taliban corpses is ‘utterly deplorable’ - Checkpoint Washington - The Washington Post

They would have been notified anyway...

 

[halfmileharry]

The Problem is JG, that Soldiers, Marines, Airman, and Sailors KNOW better than to do this kind of crap. They know they are not allowed to act like this. They are taught in mind numbing class after class what these type of actions can cause.

This isn't the first time a Marine "sends a message".
Back in the late '60 and early '70 some Marines carried "death cards" for their kills. They were warnings to let our enemy know IF/When they came south that they would be dealt with in a ruthless and decisive fashion. Plenty of dismemberment and mutilization on both sides. We learned quick not to fight a humane war if we were going to make it back to the world.
It was drilled into our heads 24/7 to win at all costs and show our enemy the cruelty and methods he used against us.
Knowing the mentality of the Corps I'd be very surprised if it's changed much if any.
You don't like Marines? Fine. You can do the dirty deeds no one else wants.
Like said a half dozen times here. Stupid.
Semper Fi

 

[SSGSAD]

There are 1.5 billion of them. Are you advocating genocide?

Because that is the alternative, win the hearts and mind or murder them all.

As an aside, they are half a world away, why should we care if they do or don't want "our way"? America is on it's way to a socialist third world crap hole.. is it any wonder they don't admire us?

Like many in this thread, you appear to be nothing more than a short sighted racist bigot with murder in his heart.

Genocide is evil. Period.

YOU, need to wake up, and smell the coffee, THAT is EXACTLY what THEY want to do to US.... Change us to Islam, or KILL US !!!!! We are after all Infidel .....

 

[Dead Duck]

member of the USAF

I knew what you meant but the Air Force do it too - Just from Higher-Up.

They call it HALO - High Altitude Leak Operations

 

[spearheadersarge]

Punishing these Marines in a HARSH Fashion will let every Servicememeber know the Standards are still set in stone...

By the way Morels are mushrooms, Morals are what I think you were trying for...

Really, never has the thought crossed my mind.
Hey I just killed that MF, let me walk over there and desecrate the corpse...

Exactly!!! They knew better! It takes a planned event to say "Hey guys, wait a minute. I'll get my video camera and we can video ourselves pissing on these towelheaded bastards we just killed! What do y'all think? That'd be cool, huh?" Bingo right there, LEADER Failure! Grunts are just stupid kids who grew up on MTV's Jackass. They don't know any better. Who ever was in chagre had an obligation to stop them from being stupid!

Hit 'em with a sledgehammer so EVERYONE knows this is unacceptable!

 

[ATOMonkey]

The Ron Paul approach. Appeasement.



More often than not I agree with you, but I'm sorry, this time you could not be more naive and wrong. You've spent too much time watching the Hating America propaganda. The Taliban was absolutely aligned with Al Queda. The locals didn't support them - they feared them. The Taliban are religious warriors, hanging people from soccer goals for listening to music and blowing up two thousand year old relics from another religion. These are not signs of desiring money over principles.

The Taliban want to export their religion to the four corners of the Earth in the name and service of Allah.

Seriously, all this is available on the Interwebz. There is no need to live in willful ignorance.

Perhaps it's just overly enthusiastic optimism. A diplomatic solution has to be persued eventually, unless the objective is to just kill everyone. They obviously won't submit or surrender, and I'm running out of options.

We've been killing Taliban and Al Queda and whoever else is over there for a decade and it hasn't made a difference.

The locals ally with whoever they think is going to win in the end.

One man had this to say. "A farmer plants food for himself, the insects, and the animals." - paraphrasing.

He was saying that his people will always give aid to both sides of the fight so that he and his family will survive.

How is this ever going to be "winnable?" I just can't see a military solution.

The only military solution that even came close to "victory" was allying with the local war lords in 2001 to drive out the Taliban. Let them do the heavy lifting, and we give them air support and supplies.

Ever since we rolled in the Big Army and started telling them how to fight in their country it's been an uphill battle that isn't getting anywhere.

When a man sees that his strategy isn't working, the best bet isn't to double down. That's all I'm saying. It's time for a different strategy.