Mandated vaccines or weekly testing for employers of 100+ people.......

[wtburnette]

Their reasons were worded to be hippocratic compatible. Significantly increased chance of Covid Infection or some such when I read about it yesterday.

Except that's a lie. If those who have had the jab can get and pass the virus as easily as the un-jabbed, how does being jabbed help decrease the chance of infection?

 

[foszoe]

Except that's a lie. If those who have had the jab can get and pass the virus as easily as the un-jabbed, how does being jabbed help decrease the chance of infection?

I'm really not wanting to pick a fight or argue about this, but to me that's the wrong question that it seems like a lot of people here at. I'm not interested in whether it decreases the chance of infection I'm more interested in whether it decreases the severity of the infection if you get it. Now the answer may be the same but that's the answer I would want does the vaccine decrease the severity of symptoms if I get it.

Guns are more important than politics though so head over to my 1911 decisions thread in handguns and tell me which one of those pistols I should buy!

 

[wtburnette]

I'm really not wanting to pick a fight or argue about this, but to me that's the wrong question that it seems like a lot of people here at. I'm not interested in whether it decreases the chance of infection I'm more interested in whether it decreases the severity of the infection if you get it. Now the answer may be the same but that's the answer I would want does the vaccine decrease the severity of symptoms if I get it.

Guns are more important than politics though so head over to my 1911 decisions thread in handguns and tell me which one of those pistols I should buy!

The vax does supposedly decrease symptoms. How does that help others? That's kind of the point when they do stuff like take people off donor waiting lists and such. It doesn't make sense and is actively causing harm, against their oath.

My preference for 1911's is a stainless Dan Wesson Specialist. Sexy they are...

 

[fullmetaljesus]

What gets me is all the people who think along the lines of "I have kids and a family, I can't afford to protest this and end up losing my job."
They don't seem to realize it doesn't stop with the jab, if they accept the jab. They'll be subjected to things infinitely worse than having to find another job.

It's the other way around, you can't afford to accept the jab. Finding another job in this market is cake work compared to what will be coming for you. They've already said what their end goal is, abolition of private property. They're going to end up having to sign away their home and their assets to remain employed.

So let's say I make a stand and tell my company to get bent.

Now I must find a job of equal pay and benefits. However any company that can compete will fall under the same guidelines and rules. So I'll be a man with out a job and with out a jab.

 

[foszoe]

So let's say I make a stand and tell my company to get bent.

Now I must find a job of equal pay and benefits. However any company that can compete will fall under the same guidelines and rules. So I'll be a man with out a job and with out a jab.

I feel for you. Several times way back when this all started about vaccines coming out I said you know as much as people were against it that there will come a time when they're rubber will meet the road and people are going to math that make hard decisions and it sounds like you're in that spot

 

[buckwacker]

So let's say I make a stand and tell my company to get bent.

Now I must find a job of equal pay and benefits. However any company that can compete will fall under the same guidelines and rules. So I'll be a man with out a job and with out a jab.

I'm in the same situation. I have a job that requires a technical, minimum bachelors degree, and pretty much any other job that pays anywhere close to my salary in my field would be with a company with thousands of employees. I'm resigned to having to take a massive pay cut if I'm not granted an accommodation. But it's what I have to do, my principles demand it. I just wish enough people would stand beside me so that my stand wouldn't be for naught.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

So let's say I make a stand and tell my company to get bent.

Now I must find a job of equal pay and benefits. However any company that can compete will fall under the same guidelines and rules. So I'll be a man with out a job and with out a jab.

Get some of that universal basic income they’ve been talking about!


I don’t know what you do, but I feel for you. If my line of work was able to force me to do something to my body that had the possibility of causing me problems for the rest of my lifetime, I would seriously consider finding a new line of work and changing my own habits to make that possible. I’m not saying that’s what you should do, I think you’ve done a great job at the game of life so far and seem to enjoy what you’ve accomplished, I’m just saying I’m used to my field and I couldn’t work in that kind of situation. You would probably think the same thing about my line of work, I just know I wouldn’t be able to be forced to do anything to myself. That would make me despise my company deep down and would be less productive because of it. We get comfortable in our lives and wouldn’t enjoy something like we do what we have now.

You gotta do what’s best for you, regardless what your boss, what your friends, or what me and ingo thinks. I’ll be here to joke and laugh with you either way.

 

[Tombs]

So let's say I make a stand and tell my company to get bent.

Now I must find a job of equal pay and benefits. However any company that can compete will fall under the same guidelines and rules. So I'll be a man with out a job and with out a jab.

You'll be a man without a job, without a home, and without a family if you comply.

So go right ahead if you're interested in seeing the inside of rail cars.
People living in this country have been coddled and sheltered from having to go through things like this throughout our history. The rest of the world hasn't been so lucky. People here are getting to experience what the rest of the world has went through and can't come to terms with it.

We have guns for the purpose of preventing being forced. Maybe people forget about it all too often and think we live in a much more civil world than we do.

You take a stand now, when you're able to without your family being held hostage. Because if you suffer this, that's going to be the next step. Once it gets to that step you're going to spend the rest of your life wishing you had listened.

 

[MCgrease08]

Except that's a lie. If those who have had the jab can get and pass the virus as easily as the un-jabbed, how does being jabbed help decrease the chance of infection?

The transplant thing isn't quite as black and white as it might seem on the surface. Organs are in short supply and transplants are in high demand. If a patient receives a new organ, their immune system is weakened so if they were to be exposed to COVID there is a high probability it could severely impact or kill them. Then you've essentially wasted an organ that could have gone to another patient.

I don't necessarily think young, healthy people need to get the vaccine, but someone on the organ transplant list is likely far from healthy. Frankly if it came down to 'get the vaccine or you don't get the kidney' I'd sign up for that deal in a minute.

Now if a doctor says, this patient is so sick the vaccine could kill them before the transplant, then that should be taken into account too.

 

[Tombs]

The transplant thing isn't quite as black and white as it might seem on the surface. Organs are in short supply and transplants are in high demand. If a patient receives a new organ, their immune system is weakened so if they were to be exposed to COVID there is a high probability it could severely impact or kill them. Then you've essentially wasted an organ that could have gone to another patient.

I don't necessarily think young, healthy people need to get the vaccine, but someone on the organ transplant list is likely far from healthy. Frankly if it came down to 'get the vaccine or you don't get the kidney' I'd sign up for that deal in a minute.

Now if a doctor says, this patient is so sick the vaccine could kill them before the transplant, then that should be taken into account too.

I don't think doing anything that irritates the immune system of someone in that dire of straits is a good idea.
But what do I know.

 

[wtburnette]

The transplant thing isn't quite as black and white as it might seem on the surface. Organs are in short supply and transplants are in high demand. If a patient receives a new organ, their immune system is weakened so if they were to be exposed to COVID there is a high probability it could severely impact or kill them. Then you've essentially wasted an organ that could have gone to another patient.

I don't necessarily think young, healthy people need to get the vaccine, but someone on the organ transplant list is likely far from healthy. Frankly if it came down to 'get the vaccine or you don't get the kidney' I'd sign up for that deal in a minute.

Now if a doctor says, this patient is so sick the vaccine could kill them before the transplant, then that should be taken into account too.

I guess part of it is, do we know if the person had COVID? I don't think it was mentioned, but they treat natural immunity as if it doesn't exist, so it wouldn't surprise me. Otherwise, yeah, some shades of grey. Do they (and have they always) mandated that annual flu shots had to be taken or people would be removed from the list? Makes me curious.

 

[buckwacker]

Their reasons were worded to be hippocratic compatible. Significantly increased chance of Covid Infection or some such when I read about it yesterday.

So you think this is not at all a political decision? Purely health related? I've got a couple bills to say its more politics than medicine. Did they mandate organ recipients receive a flu shot in years prior? That would be a good indicator.

 

[buckwacker]

Tried to call and leave a message, voicemail was full.

 

[jsx1043]

You'll be a man without a job, without a home, and without a family if you comply.

So go right ahead if you're interested in seeing the inside of rail cars.
People living in this country have been coddled and sheltered from having to go through things like this throughout our history. The rest of the world hasn't been so lucky. People here are getting to experience what the rest of the world has went through and can't come to terms with it.

We have guns for the purpose of preventing being forced. Maybe people forget about it all too often and think we live in a much more civil world than we do.

You take a stand now, when you're able to without your family being held hostage. Because if you suffer this, that's going to be the next step. Once it gets to that step you're going to spend the rest of your life wishing you had listened.

Wise words, indeed.

 

[buckwacker]

Wise words, indeed.

Don't know if I could have communicated that better, and couldn't agree more.

 

[ditcherman]

Wise words, indeed.

Tough stuff.

You really have to count the cost.
We always talk about how big the govt machine is, do we realize how far in to our individual lives they reach?
$100,000 job is not that big a deal in the big picture.
No Medicare, Medicaid.
No bank access, or at least no access to credit.
No health insurance?
No insurance on your stuff?
Personally I think of how much the USDA is involved in farming, and giving up those payments would be a blow.
No crop insurance, no farm subsidies. (I’m all for it if it’s equal across the board)
How far can this go?
Count the cost.

This is probably why even without a mandate businesses have bent over. They’re not businesses, they’re already owned by the govt. No one knows it yet. The govt can tell them what to do or else. Back door socialism.

I’m hoping the tide will turn before it comes to all this. Feel for those who have to make the call now.

 

[Leo]

If the globalists and their bought and paid for socialist politicians are not successful in collapsing America, I think the courts will openly declare the whole shot thing as wrong.

It will be like the experiments the government did on the WWII military personnel. After many decades, the "justice" was "yep, we were wrong, yep, we should not have done that, yep we killed a lot of men, yep , we caused a lot of babies to be born seriously handicapped, all for no reason. . oh well, my bad"

The big difference this time is that it is not just the US government machine this time, it is the whole world. Anyone who has had enough to eat this week is affected. It is not like you can flee and resettle elsewhere. I am totally sure gates and fauci and the world elite have the real antidote to this biological warfare. You can bet those population control madmen are not taking this troublesome concoction with all the reproductive and immune system damaging components. They are not damaging their future generations.

 

[printcraft]

Let's Go Brandon! (and Let's Go people on INGO that agree with him.)

 

[BugI02]

The transplant thing isn't quite as black and white as it might seem on the surface. Organs are in short supply and transplants are in high demand. If a patient receives a new organ, their immune system is weakened so if they were to be exposed to COVID there is a high probability it could severely impact or kill them. Then you've essentially wasted an organ that could have gone to another patient.

I fail to see why it would matter, if a patient is to be placed on immunosuppressant drugs to prevent organ rejection, that they have been given a vaccination - which is basically designed to pre-program their IMMUNE system, which is being chemically suppressed

 

[MCgrease08]

SHOCKER: Whistleblower Emails Show Pfizer Hid Information About Role of Fetal Cells in COVID Vax

pjmedia.com

Pfizer whistleblower and “quality auditor” Melissa Strickler told James O’Keefe that executives wrote explosive emails instructing staff to be secretive about the use of human fetal tissue in the laboratory testing of the COVID vaccine.

Strickler told O’Keefe she doesn’t know whether fetal tissue ended up in the final COVID vaccine product or if it was only used in the research stage.

“They’re being so deceptive in their emails, it’s almost like it is in the final vaccine. It just made me not trust it,” she said.

Senior Director of Worldwide Research Vanessa Gelman told staff not to talk about the human fetal cells used in the company’s vaccine program.

“From the perspective of corporate affairs, we want to avoid having the information on fetal cells floating out there,” Gelman said.